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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:33 am Post subject: What's the deal with protecting someone? |
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So, I'm out for an evening stroll and I see a bunch of Korean idiots screaming at the top of their lungs and this little Korean girl was in tears. (She looked to be around 4 or 5 years old.) First of all, you don't screm and fight like that in front of a kid. There was a woman with them too. I really wondered about if the little girl was getting smacked too. It really made my blood boil. Then, I remember hearing all the stories that if you get into a fight with a Korean that the cops would always take the Koreans side and try to blame you and put some trumped up racist charges on you. I had a buddy that defended a Korean girl who was getting smacked by a Korean guy. Then two other Korean guys jumped in 3 on 1. He won. But it was still an attack first on the girl then on him and the cops tried to charge him and not the guys.
Anyways, I was across the street. I stopped, looked over, and told myself to keep walking. Well, I was a ways up the road before guilt got the better of me and I crossed the street. I walked back down, the same side they were on, and by this time one guy was standing in front of the coffee shop with the little girl inside crying. I kept turning around and staring at him. By this time he toned it down. Then there were two guys down the street a very short distance away with one woman who I think they were arguing or fighting with. I walked between them and gave them all a look. They didn't say anything and stared down. (I was fully ready to get into it if I saw them doing anything as my adreneline was in full range.)
I mostly just wanted to make sure the little girl was ok and not in any danger. It really upset me that adults would behave that way and terrorize a little child like that. I had to fight the urge to go back again and just start punching. Anyways, I just wanted to know if anyone has had a similiar experience recently either protecting a kid or a woman from getting smacked and fought some Korean guys. What was the outcome? I use hear of the cops being pretty racist in these situations. But the country has seemed less xenophobic the last couple of years. So, would the cops actually investigate it and not try to charge me if it was on with them and I were defending a little girl or someone else?
Just don't get me started on why Koreans walked by and said or did nothing. For a group culture that thinks our individualism is selfish, they sure don't like to help each other or, at the very least, call the cops. |
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Nolos
Joined: 23 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:40 am Post subject: |
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lol at the white knight trying to step in to be a hero. Would you do the same and be "fully prepared to do something" if the people in question were black? Nope you probably would have kept right on walking not even looking back.
Beta. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Nolos wrote: |
lol at the white knight trying to step in to be a hero. Would you do the same and be "fully prepared to do something" if the people in question were black? Nope you probably would have kept right on walking not even looking back.
Beta. |
This kind of race baiting / trolling really isnt necessary Dan. Go back to Anger Sports or follow the rules.
As for the OP, it is ALWAYS a bad idea to get into altercations with the locals and the cops will ALWAYS side with a Korean. Ive gotten into altercations here, had the cops called on me, and if I wasnt with my smoking hot girlfriend who the police listened to Id have ended up **** [IPIC edit] without a paddle.
Or you can be a hero like Mix1 preaches, end up behind bars with blood money to pay, and "paging Ttompatz" on Daves ESL about how you got screwed by the racist police and asking what your options are. Your call. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Another esl superhero bites the dust!
Don't give up the day job op!  |
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Popocatepetl
Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Ipayin cash wrote: |
| it is ALWAYS a bad idea to get into altercations with the locals |
Not exactly...it depends on how you do it.
It doesn't take much to step between two people and hold them apart...or say a few words to deflect their attention and calm the situation.
Something I've noticed about Koreans is that they secretly want someone to break it up for them, because their own loss of face doesn't allow them to back down voluntarily. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:19 am Post subject: |
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These Tefl keyboard wannabe-tough-guys make me laugh.
Whaddaya gonna do bitches? Stick a board marker right between those little eyes?
Please, please do intervene Tefl-ers.
Can't wait to read about you superheroes, eating porridge, folding towels and picking up the soap in the shower.  |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I don't understand the OP story. The girl was standing inside a coffee shop watching her father fighting outside? I don't see any danger to the girl. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry bro, but you didn't protect anyone. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The hero South Korea deserves, but not the one it needs right now. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| Sorry, I don't understand the OP story. The girl was standing inside a coffee shop watching her father fighting outside? I don't see any danger to the girl. |
She was originally outside when I first walked by. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| IPayInCash wrote: |
| Nolos wrote: |
lol at the white knight trying to step in to be a hero. Would you do the same and be "fully prepared to do something" if the people in question were black? Nope you probably would have kept right on walking not even looking back.
Beta. |
This kind of race baiting / trolling really isnt necessary Dan. Go back to Anger Sports or follow the rules.
As for the OP, it is ALWAYS a bad idea to get into altercations with the locals and the cops will ALWAYS side with a Korean. Ive gotten into altercations here, had the cops called on me, and if I wasnt with my smoking hot girlfriend who the police listened to Id have ended up **** [IPIC edit] without a paddle.
Or you can be a hero like Mix1 preaches, end up behind bars with blood money to pay, and "paging Ttompatz" on Daves ESL about how you got screwed by the racist police and asking what your options are. Your call. |
Hey there, buddy! Your "hero" here, just checking in. Mentioning my name to get attention; what a beta move. 
Don't interject ME into this situation, because actually I agree with you.
But in the other one involving the repeated soccer kicks to the head, I don't. In the soccer kick situation there was a clear victim with an attacker bent on continuing the punishment, and a crowd surrounded him to stop the dangerous beating. That's a good thing, and it's not being a "hero" to think so.
But in this situation, who the heck even knows what was going on? No violence, no clear victim, just a crying kid and some random Koreans making some noise and doing the usual drama queen thing.
The worst part was, the OP actually got right in the middle of the fray and sort of challenged the people, without knowing anything about who did what. Recipe for disaster right there. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| IPayInCash wrote: |
| Nolos wrote: |
lol at the white knight trying to step in to be a hero. Would you do the same and be "fully prepared to do something" if the people in question were black? Nope you probably would have kept right on walking not even looking back.
Beta. |
This kind of race baiting / trolling really isnt necessary Dan. Go back to Anger Sports or follow the rules.
As for the OP, it is ALWAYS a bad idea to get into altercations with the locals and the cops will ALWAYS side with a Korean. Ive gotten into altercations here, had the cops called on me, and if I wasnt with my smoking hot girlfriend who the police listened to Id have ended up **** [IPIC edit] without a paddle.
Or you can be a hero like Mix1 preaches, end up behind bars with blood money to pay, and "paging Ttompatz" on Daves ESL about how you got screwed by the racist police and asking what your options are. Your call. |
Hey there, buddy! Your "hero" here, just checking in. Mentioning my name to get attention; what a beta move.
Don't interject ME into this situation, because actually I agree with you.
But in the other one involving the repeated soccer kicks to the head, I don't. In the soccer kick situation there was a clear victim with an attacker bent on continuing the punishment, and a crowd surrounded him to stop the dangerous beating. That's a good thing, and it's not being a "hero" to think so.
But in this situation, who the heck even knows what was going on? No violence, no clear victim, just a crying kid and some random Koreans making some noise and doing the usual drama queen thing.
The worst part was, the OP actually got right in the middle of the fray and sort of challenged the people, without knowing anything about who did what. Recipe for disaster right there. |
Actually I didn't. But I did walk into the middle of the situation and give body language that fighting and hitting a little girl would not be acceptable. They knew I walked through them and scoped them out. But they didn't do anything, so I couldn't do anything, especially when I didn't know the players involved. That said, had I of seen them smacking or beating on this little girl it would have been on. I had walked through them because I was worried the little girl would have been in danger. They were outside all together at the time I walked by across the road and heard them screaming and her crying.
There's nothing alpha or beta about this situation. Do something when you can and stay away when you can't. It's not being a beta to avoid a bunch of gangbangers with guns. Guns kill and you don't come back from that. That's just a suicide pact if you do. I grew up in a tough poor area in a mid sized city in Canada. There were fist fights, sometimes, even knives, but never any guns. Maybe like the hood in US big cities would have been in the 1950's or 1960's.
Anyways, I knew some tough guys who could really scrap well. Even they admitted to running away from situations on occasion that they wouldn't have won and would have gotten beaten badly. (They did usually try to go back later with some buddies.) It was usually the fake tough guys that talked of never backing down and standing there and getting beaten to a pulp. (When faced with real tough guys, these guys bolt in fear.) One tough guy buddy of mine once was by himself and got surrounded by three or four guys. He punched a couple of them in the head to throw them off balance and then ran through them and ran away. A few years later after leaving the "hood", I had heard of him getting jumped by three guys and he beat the holy hell out them. He was not wuss.
So, I know the rules of engagement. Do something if you can; if it's unwinnable then do something else like secretly call the cops. Either way, my point was to find out what the cop situation is here not to seek your approval or permission to act as I may or may not have fully explained the context of the situation well. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ROFL @ OP coming back in here to puff out his chest and claim hes an alpha. Internet tough guys sure are a delusional bunch. What a beta. |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Did you know what they were fighting about?
Seems pretty stupid to get involved unless you know or they ask. This situation has backfire written all over it. The lack of common sense is outstanding. Don't let your feelings get the best of you. Don't go around showing the locals how to behave. If you are really concerned phone the cops or ask an ignorant bystander.
You'll sound like a real class act talking to the cops via a translator about why you would get involved when you have no idea what is going on.
"I saw some people fighting and I made the decision to jump in and throw some punches myself in an honest effort to get the situation under control. And I don't even get a kamsamnida?" |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
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So, I know the rules of engagement. Do something if you can; if it's unwinnable then do something else like secretly call the cops. Either way, my point was to find out what the cop situation is here not to seek your approval or permission to act as I may or may not have fully explained the context of the situation well. |
You posted your story on the Internet, so people are going to give opinions. My opinion is that you went over the line getting in the middle of them, and that that was a mistake. I've let my emotions get the better of me as well, so I'm just trying to help you out here. Even if you were trying to help, to outside eyes it would look as if you instigated something, especially if there was NO action before that time.
As for the cop situation, it's very bleak here, especially as a foreigner. Most of us know it or have heard that by now. So you going in and potentially starting something just because someone might have been dealing with their child in a way you didn't approve of isn't going to look good on the record.
"What happened here?"
"Uh, I threatened some random people and we got into a fight because I THOUGHT they MIGHT have been mistreating their kid... from my perspective."
Like I said, recipe for disaster. Even IF the father actually did hit the kid, you getting into fisticuffs with him and the rest of the family would not be smart. All Korean law would see is a foreigner randomly starting a fight with an innocent Korean family.
As for the beta/alpha thing, that was joking with another poster, so no need to get defensive about that. |
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