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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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 Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:54 am Post subject: New Uni Hiring Rule? |
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As a former englisheeee professor, I decided to leave Korea a few months ago, for the holy grail.
Word on the street from my contacts back in Korea, says that you need an MA + 2 years uni experience, or a BA + 4 years uni experience, in order to get a foot in the door at a Korean uni.
Can anyone confirm this? |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if it's a rule or not but all the university job postings I've seen lately have been saying that. They've also advertised pay rates far lower than what someone should be paid for that kind of experience, but that's just my opinion. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=229754
That's a thread about it (although it devolves pretty quickly into bitching especially online degree bitching). Basically no one knows anything for sure. It may be enforced with new hirings only or it may be applied to those already working, in which case a lot of people will be without a job.
People who I know have given me conflicting information. One guy says it's now law and it will be applied retrospectively. Others have said that nothing has changed at all. One guy on a hiring committee in some Gwangju university said that they have several BA candidates on their shortlist to start in the spring semester.
As this is Korea I imagine that the day before the start of semester 1 classes all teachers with BAs will be informed they are no longer qualified to teach at Korean universities. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: New Uni Hiring Rule? |
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| Jodami wrote: |
As a former englisheeee professor, I decided to leave Korea a few months ago, for the holy grail.
Word on the street from my contacts back in Korea, says that you need an MA + 2 years uni experience, or a BA + 4 years uni experience, in order to get a foot in the door at a Korean uni.
Can anyone confirm this? |
Wait a moment. You claim to have been a professor. Now you're worried that the requirements now include having a graduate degree.  If you don't have an advanced degree (higher than a simple MA) you have no business calling yourself a professor. You're a teacher. Doesn't matter what your school's 'name carduh' says you are. Coming onto an ESL forum, read by people who come from countries where 'professor' actually means something, and describing yourself as such is just asking for it. It's also insulting to people who actually put the time and effort into getting a PHD.
You are not a professor, so stop referring to yourself as such. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: New Uni Hiring Rule? |
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| Smithington wrote: |
| Jodami wrote: |
As a former englisheeee professor, I decided to leave Korea a few months ago, for the holy grail.
Word on the street from my contacts back in Korea, says that you need an MA + 2 years uni experience, or a BA + 4 years uni experience, in order to get a foot in the door at a Korean uni.
Can anyone confirm this? |
Wait a moment. You claim to have been a professor. Now you're worried that the requirements now include having a graduate degree. If you don't have an advanced degree (higher than a simple MA) you have no business calling yourself a professor. You're a teacher. Doesn't matter what your school's 'name carduh' says you are. Coming onto an ESL forum, read by people who come from countries where 'professor' actually means something, and describing yourself as such is just asking for it. It's also insulting to people who actually put the time and effort into getting a PHD.
You are not a professor, so stop referring to yourself as such. |
From his post we have no idea if he has an MA or not. Maybe he does and is hoping it will help him. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:22 am Post subject: |
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You guys are a joke, calling each other "Professors."
Korea truly screws with some people's heads. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:16 am Post subject: |
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You guys are a joke, calling each other "Professors."
Korea truly screws with some people's heads. |
I totally agree and I have an MA and have taught at universities here for 15 years. In all that time I've never called myself a "professor" I tell my students I don't have a PhD so you shouldn't call me that.
You earn that title, just because you teach at a univ doesn't entitle you call yourself one |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:19 am Post subject: Re: New Uni Hiring Rule? |
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| Jodami wrote: |
As a former englisheeee professor, I decided to leave Korea a few months ago, for the holy grail.
Word on the street from my contacts back in Korea, says that you need an MA + 2 years uni experience, or a BA + 4 years uni experience, in order to get a foot in the door at a Korean uni.
Can anyone confirm this? |
Think it still depends where you're applying, but my crappy, lower-tier place has required a BA plus 5 since around 2000...sure, they cut some corners when hirees bail at the last moment and/or for best friends of the hiring committee. |
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Nolos
Joined: 23 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
You guys are a joke, calling each other "Professors."
Korea truly screws with some people's heads. |
ROFL they hide behind a huge sense of delusion and inflated, deceiving self-worth. I'm so embarrassed for them. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
You guys are a joke, calling each other "Professors."
Korea truly screws with some people's heads. |
Yeah.. But anyone who's worked in uni's here long enough could testify to the futility of denying you are one to Korean students. There comes a point - maybe at the 1000th student who calls you as professor - even though you gave them the "I'm just an MA holder so not a professor in my country" speech at the start of semester - where you just give in and accept it.. Or you will spend half your life giving that damn I'm not a professor speech..anyway the students are well aware we are on a different level to the tenured faculty.
But agreed that referring to yourself as one is overstepping the mark.. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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You work at a university you are a professor. End of story.
Stop denying the reaity of the situtaion that exists in this country and just go along with it.
Plus the fact it's a badge of honor when trying to hook up - so polish it well! |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Zackback wrote: |
You work at a university you are a professor. End of story.
Stop denying the reaity of the situtaion that exists in this country and just go along with it.
Plus the fact it's a badge of honor when trying to hook up - so polish it well! |
Dude's got a point.
The English industry in Korea all the way from Uni's down to Toss your Salad English is so Hookie and Kookie and schizophrenic that if you want call yourself a Professor, why not. Go for it.
It's not like it really matters.
I think I'll introduce my self next time as the Dali Lama.
Why not... |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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It's one thing to go along with the nonsense while at work, another thing to let the delusion follow you home. I sitting on a patio in Itaewon last week and some teachers were at the next table. A Canadian girl joins them, and they get talking about what they do here. The girl says she works at such and such a hogwan, then asks one young dude what he does. Puffing himself up, he says "I'm a professor." I wanted to get up, walk over, take off his glasses, slap him on the face and say "Wake the &@#% up." Honestly, such people make me cringe. I can't even be in their presence, so I finished my beer and moved to another table. If anyone with a BA is calling themselves a professor, and putting on airs, they are simply fools.
For the record, I have a graduate degree but I will not pretend I'm a professor until I do a PHD. Things need to be earned. Surely we can all agree on that. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| For the record, I have a graduate degree but I will not pretend I'm a professor until I do a PHD. Things need to be earned. Surely we can all agree on that. |
I'm not sure if it happens anymore, but back in the states you could be a college professor at a community college with just an MA, however, I doubt an on-line degree would be accepted.
But generally speaking, calling yourself a 'Professor' when you're basically just a gloried hogwan instructor working in a uni language center is just plain comedy. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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A PhD does not automatically make you a Professor.
You have to be tenured at the university, have published x amount of things, this that and the other.
Lecuturer-Senior Lecturer-Associate Professor-Professor
Most Professors I studied under had been at the university for at least 15 years and had impressive research/publication careers.
Maybe it's different in the US? |
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