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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
Read any studies on the effects of THC on Adolescents?? Really different than what it does to adults. So be careful writing about how safe it is.

Hi, bar owner rollo. For both adolescents and adults, marijuana is safer than alcohol.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/teens-marijuana-brain-tissue-alcohol_n_2331779.html

http://www.mpp.org/media/press-releases/study-marijuana-may-protect.html

Unlike alcohol and many other substances, you can't OD on weed (no matter how much you do). That should be an indication of how safe it is.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well WT congrats on your 30 day challenge of staying off this board. Glad you succeeded.

You sure busted out however, like a person who was on a forced diet or fasting that then binges and wolfs down 5 cheesecakes! I mean you posted left, right and centre on your 31st day...well done.

As a reference below is your challenge announcement of September 20th:

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Not long ago I was addicted to alcohol. I was drinking every day. Deep down inside I knew what I was doing was wrong, but I couldn't stop. Then I saw a video that changed my life.
http://www.ted.com/talks/matt_cutts_try_something_new_for_30_days.html
The part that really stuck with me is when the presenter said, "I've found you can do anything as long as it's for just 30 days."
Today is day 30 of my sobriety. Through this challenge I've learned I don't need alcohol. I hope I can cut way back and make this a permanent thing- a lifestyle change.
Tomorrow I will start another 30 day challenge (and then another and another).
I'm very addicted to Dave's so I'm going to say goodbye to the site for a month at least.
(I kind of wish I could be around to see augustine's profanity laced farewell post rant, but this is for the best for my life.)
Anyways, I just wanted to share this. I hope you can find some value in it.
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Jodami



Joined: 08 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, well, well.

Looks like World Traveler is now addicted, to doing 30 day challenges.

Shocked
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augustine



Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México

PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A distinct honorable mention I initially missed, forgot about saying that. I did use a particular term a little too liberally for some folks the other day, but that now never existed, apparently. That wasn't the intention anyway. Mexico come Friday though, bogged down at the girlfriend's place until then and she has already bitched at me hardcore for peeing on the fence behind her apartment earlier while she was in the shower for an hour (shouldn't have admitted it)... so all hell could break loose between now and closing time.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Well WT congrats on your 30 day challenge of staying off this board. Glad you succeeded.

You sure busted out however, like a person who was on a forced diet or fasting that then binges and wolfs down 5 cheesecakes! I mean you posted left, right and centre on your 31st day...well done.

As a reference below is your challenge announcement of September 20th:

Quote:
Not long ago I was addicted to alcohol. I was drinking every day. Deep down inside I knew what I was doing was wrong, but I couldn't stop. Then I saw a video that changed my life.
http://www.ted.com/talks/matt_cutts_try_something_new_for_30_days.html
The part that really stuck with me is when the presenter said, "I've found you can do anything as long as it's for just 30 days."
Today is day 30 of my sobriety. Through this challenge I've learned I don't need alcohol. I hope I can cut way back and make this a permanent thing- a lifestyle change.
Tomorrow I will start another 30 day challenge (and then another and another).
I'm very addicted to Dave's so I'm going to say goodbye to the site for a month at least.
(I kind of wish I could be around to see augustine's profanity laced farewell post rant, but this is for the best for my life.)
Anyways, I just wanted to share this. I hope you can find some value in it.



ALMOST did it. His next post was on the 16th of October which would make it 26 days. But close enough. Laughing
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave's ESL Cafe. The hardest addiction to break. (But less life destroying than alcohol.)

P.S.- You should smoke a blunt and drop some acid, TUM. Same goes for you, PGHB.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They might have a bad trip...Better sometimes to advise people to unwind with a simple scotch and cigar.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Dave's ESL Cafe. The hardest addiction to break. (But less life destroying than alcohol.)

P.S.- You should smoke a blunt and drop some acid, TUM. Same goes for you, PGHB.



Sorry, I don't need to use illegal drugs to bolster my sense of self.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's about expanding your consciousness to ultimately become a better person. Acid destroys one's ego actually. (It makes a person less arrogant.)
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
It's about expanding your consciousness to ultimately become a better person. Acid destroys one's ego actually. (It makes a person less arrogant.)



I'm not noticing either of these qualities in particular from people that espouse your position.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since there are good people who don't do drugs, and bad people who do do drugs, and since the rate of good people or bad based on those who use drugs is about the same for users and non-users, then I am forced to conlude that drugs have little impact on making you a better person.

Good people who do drugs (at least ones like pot or shrooms) are still probably going to be good people. Bad people who do those are likely to remain bad. A few bad people might become better and a few good people might become worse. A few good people might become better on drugs and a few bad people might become worse.

I don't really see overwhelming evidence to support the conclusion that someone is a good person based upon whether or not they choose to consume drugs and I must state that it is apparent that those who claim people's lives would be better if they did drugs or that that would make them better people lack sufficient evidence to support their claim and have failed to adequately detail what makes a "good lifer". Furthermore, their claim would imply that cultures and people, either those who lived now or those in the past, who did not consume drugs, would fail to produce any 'good' people. A view I must question.

Why not just stick to- I enjyoed my experiences with recreational drugs and they were a positive influence in my life.

That's all that needs to be said.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't really see overwhelming evidence to support the conclusion that someone is a good person based upon whether or not they choose to consume drugs


Don't know where you're from but in the UK, statistically people who have committed other crimes are far more likely to take legal and illegal drugs than those who are largely law abiding. Individually it's probably not a good idea to assume someone is a criminal-type if they take illegal drugs but statistically it's more like they are than someone who doesn't. Of course it depends on your definition of 'a good person' but you should be careful of rushing to be non-judgemental while disregarding the facts.
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Old fat expat



Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds OK Steelrails. i might frame it this way though:

There are 5 big traits measured on personality inventories. One of these traits is openness to new experiences (others being conscientiousness, neuroticism, agreeableness, and extroversion).

It is not the use of recreational drugs that makes these people open and more accepting, as WT is suggesting. I think use of drugs is an outcome of the underlying trait of openness. Those on the opposite side of this scale are rule followers and not inclined to be open to new experiences. As rule followers, they really like to impose these rules on others.

Note I said recreational use; I am not talking about drug abuse or addiction.

I conclude with a toast:
Here's to my experiences with recreational drugs and them being a positive influence in my life.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
Don't know where you're from but...

I'm from the United States, the place with the highest drug consumption rate in the world (and incidentally the wealthiest and most powerful country to ever exist). Here's a question for you: which were better- the Beatles pre-acid experience or post? I think afterwards their music became better and their lyrics changed from shallow to deep. Also, I'm going to have to disagree with you that acid and marijuana use increases criminality. Alcohol definitely. Those two, no. (In fact, those make a person more peaceful unlike alcohol, which can make a person more violent.) Crack and meth are a different story, but that's not what we're discussing.

Ah, and it was Bob Dylan who introduced the Beatles to ganja. What do you think about his music and lyrics?
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hiamnotcool



Joined: 06 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
edwardcatflap wrote:
Don't know where you're from but...

I'm from the United States, the place with the highest drug consumption rate in the world (and incidentally the wealthiest and most powerful country to ever exist). Here's a question for you: which were better- the Beatles pre-acid experience or post? I think afterwards their music became better and their lyrics changed from shallow to deep. Also, I'm going to have to disagree with you that acid and marijuana use increases criminality. Alcohol definitely. Those two, no. (In fact, those make a person more peaceful unlike alcohol, which can make a person more violent.) Crack and meth are a different story, but that's not what we're discussing.

Ah, and it was Bob Dylan who introduced the Beatles to ganja. What do you think about his music and lyrics?


I hate bob dylan therefore drugs are bad.
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