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Worthless Degrees. Did your degree make the list?
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a distinction needs to be made between general degrees (Arts, Science, etc.) and professional degrees (preparing you for engineering, law, education, health, etc.).

The first type should not be seen as purely paths to employment as the knowledge gained in these programs have intrinsic value. The skills demonstrated also have extrinsic value. A degree may not be a guarantor of a good job, but you are better off with the degree than you aren't. The ability to think critically and abstractly, to reason logically and coherently, to communicate clearly and effectively, and to take on responsibility and be able to work on tasks with minimal supervision that take weeks or months to complete. These are skills you must possess and develop to get through a general degree and they are also the type of skills employers complain they have trouble recruiting.
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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No_hite_pls wrote:
byrddogs wrote:
My degrees aren't on that list (undergrad in Urban/Regional Planning and Design and grad in GIS). They are a bit worthless to me at this point considering I don't work in the field of either.

I see that several of my co-workers degrees are on there (hell, one has even doubled up from the list). They are all pretty good teachers. I guess that for us working in ESL that none of them are entirely useless.


With a grad degree in GIS, there are lots of jobs working for defense contractors near DC.

I have the same undergrad degree as byrddogs. There's a huge list of degrees like this that don't fit the "transgender studies" stereotype, but still require a very specific post-grad education and a considerable amount of luck and low-paying work experience: Urban planning, GIS, public health, public policy, political leadership, non-profit management, social research, statistical analysis, landscape architecture, environmental studies, and so on. So, while they're not "useless" by any means (since you learn real-life skills), they can sure feel useless if you can't find a job. Also, there's the fact that most people go into these fields with a desire to change things for the better, yet, as No_hite_pls pointed out, the only jobs that seem to be available are for the most insidious institutions on earth - defense contractors, big oil companies, etc.

As for the rest of this thread, it's a nice reminder of why I rarely get into discussions about the economy anymore. First, all the talk about "government debt" is pretty ridiculous. It ignores all the corporate and financial sector debt, which, as we learned in 2008, inevitably becomes government debt. (But it's the private sector, so it's legit, right?) There's also household debt, non-corporate debt, and miscellaneous debt. If you consider the credit market on the whole, federal government debt only takes up about 1/6th of the pie. Then there's the person who mentioned Wall St is hitting record highs. Wall St profits are in no-way an indicator of the economy on the whole. Essentially, record high stocks mean public corporations are experiencing higher profits (i.e. costs to the public) coupled with lower expenses (e.g. U.S. jobs). One could argue that record high stocks actually indicate a worsening economy in this two-tiered post-Reagan credit based game of musical chairs.

Lastly, just because a Republican says the country is FUBAR, doesn't mean it's not true. It just means their reasoning for why it's FUBAR is probably inaccurate. With globalization, those who believe in Western supriority shouldn't kid themselves. A half century ago, Western countries had 80% of global GDP compared to 20% for the rest of the world. It's projected that by 2035, that ratio will shift from 80:20 to 35:65, with Asian countries leading the charge. Considering a massive portion of the U.S. economy is tied to finance and military, and most of us aren't specialists in those fields, teaching ESL abroad is actually a promising field for the struggling American - an unfortunate reality for those of us who only intended on doing this for a year or two.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threequalseven wrote:
Wall St profits are in no-way an indicator of the economy on the whole.

How about this then:
http://realestate.msn.com/blogs/blog--average-size-of-new-home-rises-for-second-year
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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Threequalseven wrote:
Wall St profits are in no-way an indicator of the economy on the whole.

How about this then:
http://realestate.msn.com/blogs/blog--average-size-of-new-home-rises-for-second-year

All that tells me is that they're blowing the same bubble that burst five years ago. How about this then:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/09/second-largest-employer-in-america-is-temp-agency/

... and perhaps here's why...
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100935856

The U.S. will feel more and more like China as the years roll on, with workers becoming more and more desperate to make a living and pristine wildernesses becoming easier and easier to sacrifice.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threequalseven wrote:


The U.S. will feel more and more like China as the years roll on, with workers becoming more and more desperate to make a living and pristine wildernesses becoming easier and easier to sacrifice.


That can be and will be turned around.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the most serious issues facing the USA (and the world, really) hasn't even been brought up in the media much yet. But mark my words as a warning... it will be... and it will be huge.

The Midwest and Western USA is known as the breadbasket of the world. You may have heard that in the early 1930's, much of that area of the world endured what was called the "dust bowl." It lasted about a decade, with returning rains, and better farming methods helping things get more back to normal. Unfortunately, from that time, it was also learned that there was a rather large (but not so deep) underground water aquifer which could be used to irrigate fields.

That aquifer has been drained slowly since 1940, and it is estimated to have about 10 years of water left. It cannot be replaced by man, and it takes 6,000 years for nature to replace it. Sadly, fracking is also thought to be poisoning some of it, too.

In around 10 to 15 years, depending on when cyclical droughts hit that area again, you can count on the cost of food around the world to explode. Even without droughts, the lack of water will damage output immensely.

It's coming. It's a serious issue.

Read here:

http://www.texastribune.org/2013/05/22/ogallala-aquifer-texas-panhandle-suffers-big-drop/


http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2013-07-06/water-decline-causes-farmers-fear-future
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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
Threequalseven wrote:


The U.S. will feel more and more like China as the years roll on, with workers becoming more and more desperate to make a living and pristine wildernesses becoming easier and easier to sacrifice.


That can be and will be turned around.

By whom?

Swampfox10mm wrote:
That aquifer has been drained slowly since 1940, and it is estimated to have about 10 years of water left. It cannot be replaced by man

Yet the financial oligarchs will have the masses believe that fossil fuels, water, and unsustainable farming practices can and will last forever and anybody who says otherwise is a wacko liberal commie bent on destroying Amurrrikaa!
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threequalseven wrote:

Yet the financial oligarchs will have the masses believe that fossil fuels, water, and unsustainable farming practices can and will last forever and anybody who says otherwise is a wacko liberal commie bent on destroying Amurrrikaa!


If you're Canadian what makes you think Canadians don't to the same thing. If you're British then don't eat American grain and have your buddies not eat American grain. Hopefully this leads to a cutting of the surplus limeylouts that migrate over to ESL land.
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A discussion about the value of a degree turns into a random commentary on a selection of economic and environmental ills facing America.

Is education and the fact that we are capable of having this conversation not part of the solution? Living in Asia facing environmental issues far, far more pressing and severe than America's, does it not concern you that that conversation doesn't happen there enough?
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I majored in heath studies. Pretty useless in Canada, actually.
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 2 useless degrees:
3 yr life science degree
4 yr biology degree

The combination of which net me an EPIK job in 2008. In Canada, these were so useless that Canadian Tire and other stores wouldn't even bother interviewing me. I've lost count of how many job I've applied to. Must be in the thousands. In total my student loans came up to 100k+. I'm sure it's still accruing interest now since I've defaulted ages ago.

I did a 2 yr pharmacy degree in 2009. As a registered pharmacist in Australia I now make 100k+/yr. After taxes it's more like 75k. I won't ever put a dime toward paying my student loans in Canada and there is absolutely nothing they can do to punish me.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will live in Australia until your dying day?

Maybe not. Maybe you will eventually miss your friends and family.

Why not pay the loan? That is the honest thing to do. I mean, you make 100K a year now so you can certainly afford it.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I have 2 useless degrees:
3 yr life science degree
4 yr biology degree

The combination of which net me an EPIK job in 2008. In Canada, these were so useless that Canadian Tire and other stores wouldn't even bother interviewing me. I've lost count of how many job I've applied to. Must be in the thousands. In total my student loans came up to 100k+. I'm sure it's still accruing interest now since I've defaulted ages ago.

I did a 2 yr pharmacy degree in 2009. As a registered pharmacist in Australia I now make 100k+/yr. After taxes it's more like 75k. I won't ever put a dime toward paying my student loans in Canada and there is absolutely nothing they can do to punish me.


So your background in science didn't help you with your pharmacy degree? Or help you get on the pharmacy degree course?
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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I have 2 useless degrees:
3 yr life science degree
4 yr biology degree

The combination of which net me an EPIK job in 2008. In Canada, these were so useless that Canadian Tire and other stores wouldn't even bother interviewing me. I've lost count of how many job I've applied to. Must be in the thousands. In total my student loans came up to 100k+. I'm sure it's still accruing interest now since I've defaulted ages ago.

I did a 2 yr pharmacy degree in 2009. As a registered pharmacist in Australia I now make 100k+/yr. After taxes it's more like 75k. I won't ever put a dime toward paying my student loans in Canada and there is absolutely nothing they can do to punish me.



So your background in science didn't help you with your pharmacy degree? Or help you get on the pharmacy degree course?


I'm sure as hell not paying 100k for the privilege of taking 1st year prerequisite classes that got me into pharmacy.

I hope OSAP and all other loaning institutions implode from other defaulters like myself. In 2012 the default rate is already 10%. Once it passes 40% we can expect the system to collapse.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:

Why not pay the loan? That is the honest thing to do.


He's not an honest man, so why would you expect him to do the honest thing? His university attendance in Canada are the only reason he was able to enter either Korea or Australia, and in return for the Canadian people's incredible generosity towards him (and yes, investing over a hundred thousand dollars -- to say nothing of primary or secondary education -- in someone who literally provided less than no societal value before bailing on the nation is generous) he hopes systematic economic collapse upon them.
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