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Lucas
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| I understand why some people are annoyed about the mathematics of the cash payouts here, but in actuality he probably has suffered more than the students who got pepper-sprayed. They suffered some pain in the moment, but then got to move past it, and maybe even gained some admiration. He, by contrast, has suffered persisting shame and scorn before the entire nation, and obviously to some extent even internationally given this was reported in a British newspaper. I'm not saying what he did was acceptable or condoning it, but the problem with "trial by Internet" is that there are no bounds to the consequences. That cash is probably cold comfort. |
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Lucas
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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But where does it stop?
It’s a slippery slope.
Being America, he should have turned this -ve into a +ve and opened up a website selling T-shirts 'hit a hippie' 'you say, i spray'
He'd have made a fortune!  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Martins can get away with cashing in on their son's death because they're perceived as victims. If this fellow tried to do the same thing, all he'd be doing is ensuring the entire rest of his life would be spent under a veil of constant harassment and threats. The best he can hope for is that this all blows over sooner rather than later.
Really, instead of giving him cash, they should have awarded him participation in a witness-relocation-esqe program and let him start a new life, hopefully the wiser for having gone through all of this. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| The real injustice here is that he was making $120,000 as a cop. Holy crap. So he gets fired from that job for pepper spraying students. This leads one to believe that he was at fault, other wise he would not have been fired. If he is at fault, why does he deserve this pay out? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| So he gets fired from that job for pepper spraying students. This leads one to believe that he was at fault, other wise he would not have been fired. |
He could have been performing his duties as instructed and simply terminated as a PR move. A lot of face-saving went on with regards to this case. The police chief at the time retired rather than face the fallout, for example. I'm not defending him of course, there are things one ought not do even if instructed by one's superiors. But within the context of the incident, it's not entirely clear to me how the responsibility here should be distributed between him and his employers. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| I understand why some people are annoyed about the mathematics of the cash payouts here, but in actuality he probably has suffered more than the students who got pepper-sprayed. They suffered some pain in the moment, but then got to move past it, and maybe even gained some admiration. He, by contrast, has suffered persisting shame and scorn before the entire nation, and obviously to some extent even internationally given this was reported in a British newspaper. I'm not saying what he did was acceptable or condoning it, but the problem with "trial by Internet" is that there are no bounds to the consequences. That cash is probably cold comfort. |
you glossed over fox a very important aspect of this entire situation. the fact is that he opened up his own hell by pepper spraying pacified protesters, thus making any repercussions his own doing. he should have not gotten rewarded or given a single dime. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| I understand why some people are annoyed about the mathematics of the cash payouts here, but in actuality he probably has suffered more than the students who got pepper-sprayed. They suffered some pain in the moment, but then got to move past it, and maybe even gained some admiration. He, by contrast, has suffered persisting shame and scorn before the entire nation, and obviously to some extent even internationally given this was reported in a British newspaper. I'm not saying what he did was acceptable or condoning it, but the problem with "trial by Internet" is that there are no bounds to the consequences. That cash is probably cold comfort. |
you glossed over fox a very important aspect of this entire situation. the fact is that he opened up his own hell by pepper spraying pacified protesters, thus making any repercussions his own doing. he should have not gotten rewarded or given a single dime. |
An obvious misdeed, but is unlimited, inescapable consequence from finite action a just outcome? The Internet age has initiated real problems in this regard, not just regarding this case, but in general, as local situations become national spectacles. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| I understand why some people are annoyed about the mathematics of the cash payouts here, but in actuality he probably has suffered more than the students who got pepper-sprayed. They suffered some pain in the moment, but then got to move past it, and maybe even gained some admiration. He, by contrast, has suffered persisting shame and scorn before the entire nation, and obviously to some extent even internationally given this was reported in a British newspaper. I'm not saying what he did was acceptable or condoning it, but the problem with "trial by Internet" is that there are no bounds to the consequences. That cash is probably cold comfort. |
you glossed over fox a very important aspect of this entire situation. the fact is that he opened up his own hell by pepper spraying pacified protesters, thus making any repercussions his own doing. he should have not gotten rewarded or given a single dime. |
An obvious misdeed, but is unlimited, inescapable consequence from finite action a just outcome? The Internet age has initiated real problems in this regard, not just regarding this case, but in general, as local situations become national spectacles. |
in my mind, absolutely yes. i welcome the fact that the advent of the internet has made people more accountable for their stupid actions and that the angry masses can light the proverbial coals under those who commit said stupid actions. in fact i'd go so far as to say there should be a local darwin award page for every city and town. maybe then would people think before doing something. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess there really are jurisdictions where you can murder your own parents and then receive the mercy of the court because you are an orphan, |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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The settlement the students received was negotiated, and is separate from what the officer received.
I don't necessarily agree with Fox that the officer suffered more. But its definitely conceivable that he would receive more if he received more treatment or more expensive treatment, since pain and suffering is calculated as a multiplier from medical treatment. |
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Popocatepetl
Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Yep, hi-five America. You just alienated all your friends and allies by spying on them. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Hi-five America
Yep, hi-five America. You just alienated all your friends and allies by spying on them. |
European leadership looks feckless and uncaring, because it is feckless and uncaring.
America is spying on your citizens. Meh.
America is spying on your personal communications. Outrage! |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Yep, hi-five America. You just alienated all your friends and allies by spying on them. |
Governments don't have "friends." Governments have interests, which are ever changing and fluid. All nations spy on each other. This European outrage is hypocritical. |
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Popocatepetl
Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| This European outrage is hypocritical. |
This is the attitude that is not going to do the US any favours. You've been caught red-handed doing something that clearly is wrong. Why not just say "sorry"?
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| All nations spy on each other. |
Do they?
You're saying the UK monitors all of Obamas private conversations?
Evidence?
Of course countries gather general intelligence about other countries in basic terms through their consulates, and conduct espionage on their percieved enemies...but when you bug the private cellphones of 30+ world leaders that are close allies and even personal friends- then you have crossed a line. |
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