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Is this normal for a gyopo?
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:26 am    Post subject: Is this normal for a gyopo? Reply with quote

Nowadays I'm slowly agreeing with most of those back-talking racist anti-Korean remarks from some of my NET co-workers. This is despite that I'm a gyopo and I'm the only gyopo in my hagweon.
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yodanole



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida

PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may be the first time I have seen "normal" and "gyopo" used in the same sentence in this forum. Rolling Eyes
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this normal for a gyopo? Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
back-talking racist anti-Korean remarks from some of my NET co-workers.


Can you clarify? Not sure what this means but it sounds juicy!
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a phase. Believe it or not, back home about 4 years after I started going to K-Church, I slowly slid down the spiral of hate. I'd go on about what "idiots" they were and how badly they did things, the food, etc.

A couple things made me realize something- First, I had to put up or shut up. A lot of the higher-ups in my church all owned businesses or had good jobs. Many of whom, were born with far less on their plate than me. Here I am, some 20-something who has accomplished diddly-poo telling them that they are idiots. Well, the proof is in the pudding. Go out and accomplish if you are so smart. Maybe I am not as smart as I thought I was, maybe they aren't as dumb. I also got it drilled in that they did not exist to make me happy and do things my way. This is what they offered- it was up to me whether to accept it or not.

Another big change was coming over here. I came here expecting the worst. I had to check out the place though. Things went rather better. A big thing was that I firmly believe that if you go to another country to live, you play by the home rules. You don't bring your expectations and judgments. Something out of Star Trek- When Riker or Picard go onto a Klingon ship, they don't start spouting off Federation judgments, wincing at the food, and insult the people's culture and habits. They do as Klingons do. I've always thought that Star Trek is rather spot on about a lot of things, intercultural interaction being one of them.

Also, general aging helped. You start to look at the big picture and realize that the world is never going to be perfect and fit your mold, and you can't spend your life being upset at every. little. thing. In the end, people are far, far, far, more alike than they are different.

It also helped, having grown up Western, acclimated to Koreans through K-Church, and then coming over here, that I was experienced and familiar with both cultures. The first time around with the Koreans, I really had no experience of people saying "well your culture does THIS, why are you judging us?". When it happened the first time, I reacted as any basher would. However after passions white heat had faded and sober reflection set in, you realize that, yeah, from their point of view, my culture does some pretty messed up things. Things we might take for granted or not even notice, but come across as utter barbarism.

One other thing happened coming here- I became a lot more sympathetic towards African-Americans and the subtle, even unintentional, bigotry they face. Both from watching Koreans towards foreigners, and from NETs towards Koreans. At the start, its just making a "see it happens back home too" point, but after you throw out example after example, you start to realize "Crap, black people back home really do get treated like crap a lot. I understand a lot better now."

Anyways, those feeling will always creep up. When you deal with some general Korean ignorance that makes you just want to explode and "teach everyone here the truth", it gets frustrating. The same way when I'm in Burger King at 3AM and see some drunk foreigners come and behave in an abominably drunken racist way. Or fatigue after seeing the latest act of Islamic terror, or senseless "urban" violence. But the choice is do you "vent" and "rant" and let it boil, or do you use sobriety and reason to control your emotions and let your mind make appropriate choices?
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Steelrails

I think your posts in the past were too much to the apologist side. But hey man, you have been posting some pretty well balanced stuff lately. Informative and Insightful
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One day someone will explain to me what this "apologist" thing means...
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maitaidads



Joined: 08 Oct 2012

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also think Steelrails posts some insightful stuff, and I'm surprised how often maligned he is (no lie).
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Wiltern



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every minority group has their Uncle Toms.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I third the "insightful" posts
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maitaidads wrote:
I also think Steelrails posts some insightful stuff, and I'm surprised how often maligned he is (no lie).


Yes, but to be fair, I do post a lot of drunken ramblings, asshat arguments, and general hot air. Anyways, thanks for the compliments...
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
maitaidads wrote:
I also think Steelrails posts some insightful stuff, and I'm surprised how often maligned he is (no lie).


Yes, but to be fair, I do post a lot of drunken ramblings, asshat arguments, and general hot air. Anyways, thanks for the compliments...


Who are you really? What did you do with the real Steelrails?

I rant on you a lot but I thought your post here was very personable.

Bonus points too for the Star Trek reference.
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Jodami



Joined: 08 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
An The same way when I'm in Burger King at 3AM and see some drunk foreigners come and behave in an abominably drunken racist way.


I don't believe this. Very Happy

You just said it, to "balance things." Rolling Eyes

In my six years living there, I never saw foreigners acting in a drunken-racist way. Shocked
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
One day someone will explain to me what this "apologist" thing means...


It's what the racist lunatics call people like Steelrails; i.e. people who admit that this country is far far far from perfect, but can still be practical about it, and enjoy the good parts.

Nice post rails.
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Jodami



Joined: 08 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
It's what the racist lunatics call people like Steelrails; i.e. people who admit that this country is far far far from perfect, but can still be practical about it, and enjoy the good parts.

Nice post rails.


I'm getting a little tired of the backslapping.

You high-fivers make me wanna vomit. Evil or Very Mad
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postfundie



Joined: 28 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A couple things made me realize something- First, I had to put up or shut up. A lot of the higher-ups in my church all owned businesses or had good jobs. Many of whom, were born with far less on their plate than me. Here I am, some 20-something who has accomplished diddly-poo telling them that they are idiots. Well, the proof is in the pudding. Go out and accomplish if you are so smart. Maybe I am not as smart as I thought I was, maybe they aren't as dumb. I also got it drilled in that they did not exist to make me happy and do things my way. This is what they offered- it was up to me whether to accept it or not.

Another big change was coming over here. I came here expecting the worst. I had to check out the place though. Things went rather better. A big thing was that I firmly believe that if you go to another country to live, you play by the home rules. You don't bring your expectations and judgments

I can mostly agree with the first part. You gotta produce something. YOu can't JUST criticize the management. If all you do is complain, like you know it all, then there is a problem. On the other hand, you shouldn't be so stupid as to not question authority. The more jobs you work at, and when you become a manager/owner yourself, then you realize that the boss has the power to make people's lives heaven or hell. You don't have to be scrooge, you can be fezziwig.
AS to the second part, this is the core of why you are wrong a majority of the time, and why ultimately you side with the racial purists in this country. You don't check your brain at the door when you move here. There is a difference between respecting a culture, and being a useful idiot. Watching Star Trek should tell you that. The captains always find a way around the prime directive in one way or another, while still respecting it... If a Korean person makes a complaint about some injustice, and his foreign teacher friend voices the same complaint, then maybe the complaint might just be legitimate and the ruling class may indeed need/ be on the way to change..
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