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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Fine. Friend calls you on the phone "I just got a new car, its a Hyundai". "I just got a new car, its a BMW" etc.
Are you telling me that the average response would be "What's a Ferrari?" Not "Holy crap, did you win the lottery? How the heck could you afford a Ferrari?!?"
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I think the average response would be 'did you win the lottery etc? ' Although as I mentioned before, in Korea I've got 'what's a Ferrari?' More often
However, didn't we all kind of agree a while back that brand leaders e.g Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, Ferrari etc...are easily recognized but it's
the grading of several different levels that people wouldn't find so easy. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Given that Western universities are out of her reach and her children's reach... |
How out of reach are they though? I assume for a Korean upper-middle class family they are no more out of reach than they are for an American upper-middle class family. For a middle class family, it might be a stretch, but if their child displays aptitude...
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Given that at last count 96% of Korean university students were attending a Korean university...I'd say that it speaks for itself.
Because if their parents could afford it and given the extreme focus on education here...they'd likely be going to a Western university. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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However, didn't we all kind of agree a while back that brand leaders e.g Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, Ferrari etc...are easily recognized but it's
the grading of several different levels that people wouldn't find so easy. |
Well, I was the one who claimed that having a degree from Columbia or Harvard would certainly stand out and that a Korean person might prefer an illegal Stanford or Columbia grad as a conversation partner over a legal grad from EastBumScrew University.
TUM claimed that that wouldn't be the case, in part because Korean mothers wouldn't know the difference or care.
Do they know the specific rankings? No. But they do know names like Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, etc. and where they rank. They can also figure on UCLA, University of Michigan, Duke, Virginia, and have some passing familiarity with them. They'd certainly know that they are better than Central Arkansas or University of Akron.
And as for cars, I used that as an example of how even if you don't know specific rankings, you can still put things into tiers. But apparently some people here are claiming that they couldn't tell the difference between a Ford, a BMW, and a Ferrari.
I call shenanigans on that. No way, shape or form, each of those cars would produce the same reaction in you if your friend was to all of a sudden drive up in one. How can you not know a Mercedes or a BMW is a luxury car, a Hyundai or a Toyota a standard brand, and Ferrari or Lamborghini an ultra-luxury brand? That would require living with your head in the sand and have zero contact with TV, print media, the internet, people, walking outside, movies, music, etc.
Same with people not having a vague clue that Harvard or Columbia are nice schools, UCLA pretty good, and University of Marquette, not so hot. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Wouldn't you teach at an English Mill if you made more money? It used to be you could do that. However I think those days are long gone. The illegals are just teachers on E2 visas teaching on the side or working for Hogwans at greatly reduced pay. I won't go into further details on this. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I was the one who claimed that having a degree from Columbia or Harvard would certainly stand out and that a Korean person might prefer an illegal Stanford or Columbia grad as a conversation partner over a legal grad from EastBumScrew University.
TUM claimed that that wouldn't be the case, in part because Korean mothers wouldn't know the difference or care.
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Not that is NOT what I said...(how can you go on for several pages and keep misunderstanding my point despite the fact that I have repeated it several times now).
I said that the average Korean mother who DOES NOT have a child at a Western university does not care about the RANKING of Western universities.
I was not talking about a conversation partner or any other red herring.
Again why would the average Korean mother who does not have a child at a Western university and is NOT going to send one there, care about the rankings of said Western universities?
What's it to them? |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, digging in the heels on this one. One side is claiming they haven't the foggiest clue between a Chevy, a BMW, and a Ferrari. I'm saying that they're full of crap. I have to call shenanigans on that. |
Stop talking about freakin Chevys. No one outside of North America knows anything about them.
And no one is saying that. In fact several people have all said that Ferraris are the exception and they are a universal symbol of "quality" in cars. The Harvard of cars if you will. And you could throw BMW, Mercs and a few others up there.
Just as we would all accept that most people would have heard of :
1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 University of Cambridge
4 University of Oxford
5 University of California, Berkeley
6 Stanford University
7 Princeton University
8 University of California, Los Angeles
9 University of Tokyo
10 Yale University
Seeing as there are more universities in the world than car companies we can't assign a car for each university. But lets say the top tier are Ferraris.
Then we have the BMWs, Porsches and Mercs:
11 California Institute of Technology
12 University of Michigan
13 Columbia University
14 University of Chicago
14 Imperial College London
16 University of Toronto
17 Cornell University
18 University of Pennsylvania
19 Johns Hopkins University
20 University College London
Beyond Columbia and Cornell I will guarantee that the average Korean mother wouldnt have any idea about them. My girlfirend is a teacher and i can promise you she hasnt heard of most of them.
I had no idea that Michigan had a good university. Or Toronto. I've heard of these places but if someone told me to place them on a list from 1 -100, I couldn't.
They are all obviously world class universities. But if I was trying to upsell myself to one of the mothers who I see each morning walking her kids to school, she is not going to be any more impressed with Imperial College of London on my CV than she would be with Universoty of British Colunbia (31) or University of Sydney (49) or Boston University (82).
Just as most Koreans wouldn't know if they should be anymore impressed if was driving a Lexus, a Chevy or a new Hyundai Equus. I sure as hell wouldnt know either. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Yes, I know that a Corvette or Shelby Mustang or SVT Lightning might cost more than a BMW 3-Series. There are exceptions.
On the other hand, I could throw up a picture of a Ford Focus and that would be pretty obvious.
I think rather than confusing my point, an exceptional car like that proves it. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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There are the Rolls Royce, Benz, Ferrari, Porsche, teachers working with students.
There are the won't pass government emission standards, background of arrests on the road, no license plates, shouldn't be on the street Jalopy, teachers also. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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A bit before my time. My parents have some old Benz from the 1960s sitting out back by the other junk that's been gathering weeds for 40+ years.
Off-topic, and this may prove more the other point than my own, I met a fair number of doofuses out there who would tune cars, and think their Honda Civic or V6 Camaro could take out an SVT or a Buick Grand National or even a Taurus SHO. They'd line up to race and by left sputtering "But, they're driving a truck!" or "But that car has 4 doors..." It's what's under the hood dummy, not what's at the end of your exhaust. Heck, even the V6 Ford Contour (Mondeo for that Euro crowd) I used to drive would embarrass the occasional idiot. Car was light. |
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knee-highs
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Location: yes
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:06 am Post subject: |
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A bit before my time. My parents have some old Benz from the 1960s sitting out back by the other junk that's been gathering weeds for 40+ years.
Off-topic, and this may prove more the other point than my own, I met a fair number of doofuses out there who would tune cars, and think their Honda Civic or V6 Camaro could take out an SVT or a Buick Grand National or even a Taurus SHO. They'd line up to race and by left sputtering "But, they're driving a truck!" or "But that car has 4 doors..." It's what's under the hood dummy, not what's at the end of your exhaust. Heck, even the V6 Ford Contour (Mondeo for that Euro crowd) I used to drive would embarrass the occasional idiot. Car was light. |
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A bit before my time. My parents have some old Benz from the 1960s sitting out back by the other junk that's been gathering weeds for 40+ years.
Off-topic, and this may prove more the other point than my own, I met a fair number of doofuses out there who would tune cars, and think their Honda Civic or V6 Camaro could take out an SVT or a Buick Grand National or even a Taurus SHO. They'd line up to race and by left sputtering "But, they're driving a truck!" or "But that car has 4 doors..." It's what's under the hood dummy, not what's at the end of your exhaust. Heck, even the V6 Ford Contour (Mondeo for that Euro crowd) I used to drive would embarrass the occasional idiot. Car was light. |
It's a good thing that this site no longer allows anyone to post pictures, otherwise we would be inundated with pics of your favorite rides. Reminds me of the old MM2 photo-essays which also reeked of pomp and circumstance.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=96212&highlight=drunks |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Another moribund thread just hanging on for no good reason. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:10 am Post subject: |
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A bit before my time. My parents have some old Benz from the 1960s sitting out back by the other junk that's been gathering weeds for 40+ years.
Off-topic, and this may prove more the other point than my own, I met a fair number of doofuses out there who would tune cars, and think their Honda Civic or V6 Camaro could take out an SVT or a Buick Grand National or even a Taurus SHO. They'd line up to race and by left sputtering "But, they're driving a truck!" or "But that car has 4 doors..." It's what's under the hood dummy, not what's at the end of your exhaust. Heck, even the V6 Ford Contour (Mondeo for that Euro crowd) I used to drive would embarrass the occasional idiot. Car was light. |
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A bit before my time. My parents have some old Benz from the 1960s sitting out back by the other junk that's been gathering weeds for 40+ years.
Off-topic, and this may prove more the other point than my own, I met a fair number of doofuses out there who would tune cars, and think their Honda Civic or V6 Camaro could take out an SVT or a Buick Grand National or even a Taurus SHO. They'd line up to race and by left sputtering "But, they're driving a truck!" or "But that car has 4 doors..." It's what's under the hood dummy, not what's at the end of your exhaust. Heck, even the V6 Ford Contour (Mondeo for that Euro crowd) I used to drive would embarrass the occasional idiot. Car was light. |
It's a good thing that this site no longer allows anyone to post pictures, otherwise we would be inundated with pics of your favorite rides. Reminds me of the old MM2 photo-essays which also reeked of pomp and circumstance.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=96212&highlight=drunks |
I miss jinju. One of the best. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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It wouldn't take 3 million won.
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+1 Normally, I'd object to being a rat. But, when they come in and ilegally drive down our prices, then yes. Ttompatz speaks it best..... |
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