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Steelrails
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I like to just picture a few Ajossis around a conference table having a laugh, then later on realizing the error of their ways and not letting it happen again. That type of thing happens everywhere, and while sad, it's understandable. Unfortunately the excuse just makes it sound like their really isn't any concern or accountability here (unless you are Spanish). |
I'm not an exec at KT&G and I'm not in advertising, but I'm pretty sure that is NOT how it went down. I'm pretty sure they analyzed it like they do every other ad they do.
Also, why isn't it possible they saw the monkeys and though "cute"? It reminds them of the 20 movies and TV shows they've seen involving a monkey that made people laugh and endeared themselves? Why MUST it be racism?
That being said, someone should have recognized the problem, whether it was deliberate or not is irrelevant, ultimately it was negligent. As I said- someone deserves to get canned.
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| It's no secret that Koreans are racist in general |
Hate to break it to you, but to the yellow, brown, and black people of the world, our home countries and their nationalities don't exactly have the most sterling reputation for tolerance and equality either.
Of course to be fair, pretty much every race and people has at best a middling reputation for these things.
Still, when people write stuff like that, I wonder if they ever pause and consider how people view "them" and their culture/nationality? |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| It's no secret that Koreans are racist in general |
Hate to break it to you, but to the yellow, brown, and black people of the world, our home countries and their nationalities don't exactly have the most sterling reputation for tolerance and equality either.
Of course to be fair, pretty much every race and people has at best a middling reputation for these things.
Still, when people write stuff like that, I wonder if they ever pause and consider how people view "them" and their culture/nationality? |
Korea is miles behind Western nations when it comes to implemented racism, sexism, gay rights - well you can, because you're living in some demented bubble. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| It's no secret that Koreans are racist in general |
Hate to break it to you, but to the yellow, brown, and black people of the world, our home countries and their nationalities don't exactly have the most sterling reputation for tolerance and equality either.
Of course to be fair, pretty much every race and people has at best a middling reputation for these things.
Still, when people write stuff like that, I wonder if they ever pause and consider how people view "them" and their culture/nationality? |
Korea is miles behind Western nations when it comes to implemented racism, sexism, gay rights - well you can, because you're living in some demented bubble. |
Miles ahead when it comes to religious tolerance.
And while they may be "miles ahead" (questionable claim given all the Far-Right parties that are against immigrants and have actual power and even head the government), that only means they are "less worse", it doesn't mean they have a good reputation amongst the yellow, black, and brown of the world. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Miles ahead when it comes to religious tolerance. |
How so? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Miles ahead when it comes to religious tolerance. |
How so? |
Korea has had Buddhist and Christian presidents. Korea has large numbers of Christians and Buddhists, two religions from completely different traditions, yet comapred to other countries, has been rather free of religious violence and tension, expecially nowadays.
It's the equivalent of any nation in Western Europe or the Anglosphere being 50% Christian and 35% Muslim. Can you imagine a Muslim leader of any of those nations? But Korea has had Protestant, Catholic, and Buddhist presidents. Park Geun-Hye is an atheist. In almost every other nation around the world that would be unfathomable without at least major attention being paid to the religion and potential social upheaval, people demanding his birth certificate, etc.
Korea? Relative non-issue. Sure you got the evangelical right here, and they resemble America's in some way, but still, if Koreans were as xenophobic as they are made out to be, there should be car bombings and radical priests advocating violence.
The record is clear- Korea is a relative model of religious tolerance in the world that puts many so-called "tolerant" and "developed" and "cultured" nations to shame.
Name one country that has had its past 4 of its past 5 leaders be of such radically different religious background as Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist, and Atheist. I'm really at a loss to think of one.
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You see posters on here write things like "Korea needs to be dragged into the 14th century" "Korea is the most racist country in Asia" and how that convinced someone not to visit here.
Where is the balance from these people? Where are they demanding that Koreans drag the US or the UK into modernity when it comes to religious tolerance and diversity in its population? Shouldn't Koreans be over there showing the people in their country "how to behave"?
Why aren't they mentioning the record of religious tolerance while simultaneoulsy mentioning the record of racism? Aren't those rather important? Doesn't the merits of one put the dangers of the other into a certain perspective when it comes to Korean "tolerance"? If they truly cared about tolerance and diversity, this should be evident and fully-realized in their minds. It isn't. Therefore, do they truly care about "tolerance" or are their posts rather about putting Koreans down in order to make themselves feel better?
How about bashers, if you're all about "fairness" and not being "delusional" how do you explain the fact that you consistently seem oblivious to one of the foremost examples of religious tolerance in the world? It doesn't even register. It should. It's remarkable. Virtually without peer in the world. |
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cabeza
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Name one country that has had its past 4 of its past 5 leaders be of such radically different religious background as Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist, and Atheist. I'm really at a loss to think of one. |
In many countries it's a complete non-issue. I know in the US it's not, but many other places it is.
New Zealand:
John Key (Current PM) - Jewish
Helen Clark - Avowed athiest
Jim Bolger - Catholic
Beyond these previous three I would struggle to say any other leaders religion, because it is a complete and utter non-issue.
In parliament there is a least one Muslim, Hindu, used to be a Bahai.
Melissa Lee (a gyopo born in Korea raised in NZ) is in parliament. Don't know if she is a Buddhist or not. |
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hiamnotcool
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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I like to just picture a few Ajossis around a conference table having a laugh, then later on realizing the error of their ways and not letting it happen again. That type of thing happens everywhere, and while sad, it's understandable. Unfortunately the excuse just makes it sound like their really isn't any concern or accountability here (unless you are Spanish). |
I'm not an exec at KT&G and I'm not in advertising, but I'm pretty sure that is NOT how it went down. I'm pretty sure they analyzed it like they do every other ad they do.
Also, why isn't it possible they saw the monkeys and though "cute"? It reminds them of the 20 movies and TV shows they've seen involving a monkey that made people laugh and endeared themselves? Why MUST it be racism?
That being said, someone should have recognized the problem, whether it was deliberate or not is irrelevant, ultimately it was negligent. As I said- someone deserves to get canned.
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Yeah what you said is definitely a possibility. The excuse just makes the whole ordeal pathetic though. However, the main thing the business is concerned about is whether or not this is going to affect their profit. I don't think it is, and you can draw your own conclusions from that. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Name one country that has had its past 4 of its past 5 leaders be of such radically different religious background as Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist, and Atheist. I'm really at a loss to think of one. |
In many countries it's a complete non-issue. I know in the US it's not, but many other places it is.
New Zealand:
John Key (Current PM) - Jewish
Helen Clark - Avowed athiest
Jim Bolger - Catholic
Beyond these previous three I would struggle to say any other leaders religion, because it is a complete and utter non-issue.
In parliament there is a least one Muslim, Hindu, used to be a Bahai.
Melissa Lee (a gyopo born in Korea raised in NZ) is in parliament. Don't know if she is a Buddhist or not. |
Any others?
Canada and US only Catholic and Protestant I suspect. England? Disraeli? That's a ways back. Ireland? Australia? France?
I mean, Christians being presidents in Korea is the equivalent of Muslims or Buddhists being PM or President, add in the large amount of the population that follows both, without sectarian strife, and with little in the way of violence over the past 100 years, and it must be said- Korea serves as a model for religious tolerance. That's a fair reckoning for it if it deserves the "racism" label. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| I mean, Christians being presidents in Korea is the equivalent of Muslims or Buddhists being PM or President, add in the large amount of the population that follows both, without sectarian strife, and with little in the way of violence over the past 100 years, and it must be said- Korea serves as a model for religious tolerance. That's a fair reckoning for it if it deserves the "racism" label. |
While your logic is less than solid, you have made your take on religious tolerance much clearer.
As usual, you have an interesting perspective on things.
Appreciate your response. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| I mean, Christians being presidents in Korea is the equivalent of Muslims or Buddhists being PM or President, add in the large amount of the population that follows both, without sectarian strife, and with little in the way of violence over the past 100 years, and it must be said- Korea serves as a model for religious tolerance. That's a fair reckoning for it if it deserves the "racism" label. |
While your logic is less than solid, you have made your take on religious tolerance much clearer. |
 By what measure do you judge religious tolerance? |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I mean, Christians being presidents in Korea is the equivalent of Muslims or Buddhists being PM or President, add in the large amount of the population that follows both, without sectarian strife, and with little in the way of violence over the past 100 years, and it must be said- Korea serves as a model for religious tolerance. That's a fair reckoning for it if it deserves the "racism" label. |
While your logic is less than solid, you have made your take on religious tolerance much clearer. |
By what measure do you judge religious tolerance? |
Why do you ask? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/culture/2013/11/316_145290.html
They're changing the packaging. |
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Another concerned resident of Sudan still finds the name “offensive.”
“I feel a perverse relief that it wasn’t ‘Kenya’ or ‘Tanzania.’ How can a single manufacturer or cigarettes be so thoughtless enough to name its brands after a continent? And to think to name cigarettes after a continent is just bizarre. Would you be pleased to find a cigarette named ‘South Korea’ or ‘Asia?’ I doubt it.” |
Well, as an American, I can't say these cigarettes offend me, but then again, I'm not looking for a reason to be offended. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Reminds me, I could sure go for a pack of American Spirits right about now. |
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