Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Working at a brand new school

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Markrly



Joined: 10 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:01 pm    Post subject: Working at a brand new school Reply with quote

Would you ever consider working at a brand new school that is just opening? I mean the upside being they don't have a bad track record, but they have no record. No past or current employees to speak to about the working conditions, on time pay, etc. All the things you are supposed to check on you can't in this situation and so due diligence seems to go straight out the window. Is there any advantage to accepting a job at a brand new school? I say this because I came across this ad and was wondering what the general consensus is on working at new schools.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=58987
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
furtakk



Joined: 02 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be more worried about making 2.1 for 9.5 hour days.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

school or hagwon?

g1-12 School = no problem.

hagwon:

new hagwon + experienced teacher = usually pretty good if there is a fit between the boss and the teacher. Great room for growth as well as teacher development.

new school + new teacher = recipe for disaster (for the school and the teacher). The failure rate goes over 90%.

.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Tyshine



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at a school that is pretty new. I am the first foreign teacher ever hired. My advice would be see what curriculum they have (if any).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
beentheredonethat777



Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: AsiaHaven

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Working at a brand new school Reply with quote

"Markrly"]Would you ever consider working at a brand new school that is just opening?
***********************************************************

H*ll no!! Unless I was the owner!
There's just too much that could go wrong.(especially if you're a newbie)
**********************************************************
This ^^ statement, coming from a highly adventurous, overflowingly positive, storm-weathered, risk-taking individual; should be weighed heavily when making your decision.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are experienced as a teacher so that you can create your own curriculum on the fly, then it may be an interesting and exciting adventure. But, be ready to bail if the school fails.

Many new K - 12 private schools fail in Korea, classified in Korea as hakyos, as do private schools that are legally classified as hogwans. The government schools in Korea have already failed - they all teach nothing, but they won't go out of business for quite a while yet. However, the government schools are continuing to cut back on the number of native English speakers that they hire, so renewal could be a problem.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
newchamp



Joined: 09 Mar 2013

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

furtakk wrote:
I would be more worried about making 2.1 for 9.5 hour days.

+1. That's pretty bad.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DaeguNL



Joined: 08 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.1 is pretty low, especially considering they are looking for a teacher already in Korea who can transfer his E-2 visa. Anyone who has experience should be closer to 2.3-2.5.

They mention paying the health insurance and severance, but omit pension...they probably don't pay it and boom there goes another 100,000/ month (for Americans and Canadians)

I guess it all depends on whether you are willing to take a 300,000/month paycut to work in a foreign owned school. Personally I would give it a pass if I was still on an E-2
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
newchamp



Joined: 09 Mar 2013

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaeguNL wrote:
2.1 is pretty low, ...

But it's the HOURS that are horrible. For 9.5 hours at work a day you'd better be getting at least 2.5 plus benefits. And if your boss or co-workers treat you less than professionally, which happens all too often at Korean hagwons, that kind of schedule will burn you out.

There's a lot of bad advice on this board. There was another thread recently where a guy had a job offer for 1.9 for 19 hours per week, in a location he wanted that would be hard to find another position in. A bunch of people wrote back saying "Don't take it!" just because the pay was low.

You've got to look at the OVERALL conditions, not just the pay.

In their advertisement, Pia School wrote:
Pay: 2.0~2.1million\ (plus housing)
Working Condition: Full Time Monday to Friday duration; 8:30am ~ 6:00pm

Shocked
By the way DaeguNL, I doubt it's a foreign-owned school.
Quote:
Owned by a New Zealand Educated Teacher/Manager
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International