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Increasingly Ridiculous Document Reqs for University jobs.
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed4444 wrote:
I used to work for a famous uni in Korea. I remember 4 years ago they were preparing to hire their first ever non-Korean Professor on tenure. My office was beside the academic affairs office so I often popped in and out.

One day when I went it I could see they were very flustered. I asked them what was up and they were trying to figure out a way authenticate the experience and qualifications of their incoming professor before finalising his contract. They were talking about notarisations, seals, stamped letters and all sorts of hoops.

I said I have an idea. They said ok. I picked up the phone, called the admin of his previous dept, verified he worked there and was academically qualified, and asked for a simple official confirmation letter. Took about two minutes.

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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
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It is called an attachment. You can do something that is called scanning then it makes a copy (like a photo) and that can be sent by email. All of this tec. stuff is over my head, so I get help with it. In any case, it can be done.


You can email notarized documents? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

"6. Notarized copy of Bachelor’s degree with APOSTILLE STAMP" - http://teachersforsouthkorea.com/tag/notarized-copy-of-university-degree/


Why not? It can be scanned and made into an attachment. However, the op is most likely talking about an E-1 Visa, and that is not required. What is required is a scanned original.
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drcrazy wrote:
YTMND wrote:
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It is called an attachment. You can do something that is called scanning then it makes a copy (like a photo) and that can be sent by email. All of this tec. stuff is over my head, so I get help with it. In any case, it can be done.


You can email notarized documents? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

"6. Notarized copy of Bachelor’s degree with APOSTILLE STAMP" - http://teachersforsouthkorea.com/tag/notarized-copy-of-university-degree/


Why not? It can be scanned and made into an attachment. However, the op is most likely talking about an E-1 Visa, and that is not required. What is required is a scanned original.


I mean, scanned original if they were willing to take that. However, they want the original in person. I had to have my original also for my E-1 Visa. They wanted it in person, so I did what they asked. But I did take it to the university in person as I did not want it lost.
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drcrazy wrote:
drcrazy wrote:
YTMND wrote:
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It is called an attachment. You can do something that is called scanning then it makes a copy (like a photo) and that can be sent by email. All of this tec. stuff is over my head, so I get help with it. In any case, it can be done.


You can email notarized documents? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

"6. Notarized copy of Bachelor’s degree with APOSTILLE STAMP" - http://teachersforsouthkorea.com/tag/notarized-copy-of-university-degree/


Why not? It can be scanned and made into an attachment. However, the op is most likely talking about an E-1 Visa, and that is not required. What is required is a scanned original.


OP quite clearly said, "Their first stage (pre-interview) requirements:
1. Original Degree Scrolls and Transcripts presented in person (post or email not allowed) "



I mean, scanned original if they were willing to take that. However, they want the original in person. I had to have my original also for my E-1 Visa. They wanted it in person, so I did what they asked. But I did take it to the university in person as I did not want it lost.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hire an agency to handle getting copies, notaries, and apostilles. Costs a bit, but way less than plane tickets.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What seems ridiculous is that they are requiring all the visa documents before they interview you.
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Popocatepetl



Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed4444 wrote:
I picked up the phone, called the admin of his previous dept, verified he worked there and was academically qualified, and asked for a simple official confirmation letter. Took about two minutes.


They could easily do the same for BA degrees and E2's.

Only they worry their english level is not up to the task of the phone call, so they insist on the full shebang instead.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
What seems ridiculous is that they are requiring all the visa documents before they interview you.


It will avoid asking someone to an interview and then finding out you wasted your time because they do not have all the required documents for the visa or simply lied and do not meet the visa requirements....


So, from an employer's perspective, by all means ask for those docs!
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ed4444



Joined: 12 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I was thinking recently of the differences between University recruitment processes in Korea and International School recruitment systems seeing as I have worked for both.

Most International Schools (except for the fake hagwon-type ones) recruit collectively at job fairs and / or via websites e.g

http://www.searchassociates.com/
http://www.cois.org/

This websites / recruitment agents verify the credentials of teachers through references (for a fee) before allowing them to register and start applying for jobs. Actually they don't check qualifications / licenses properly but it could also be done in this way.

So here is my little business idea. There is enough recruitment activity with just Korean Universities now to justify a similar service.

Business Plan: Grab a Korean friend / partner (Its impossible to do business in Korea without one), build relationships with Unis, offer to pre-scan documentation and create a website portal with centralised recruitment and maybe even a job fair system as the International Schools do. Voila! Nice little business.

It would certainly take the pain out of recruitment for both International Uni Staff and the Unis themselves who are clearly struggling with the current approach. Opinions?
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it wouldn't work. The unis would simply ask you what you are going to do and copy that process with their already salaried office staff costing them nothing.

It would only work if the process were complicated. The issue is that some unis are MAKING it more complicated than others. That is a competitive issue between those unis. Their staff will handle it.
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