Korean Job Discussion Forums

[PRagic]

Seriously, how many times are you going to stubbornly persist with this myth. I've already stated numerous times that there is NOT a two tiered system.Koreans are NOT automatically given tenure, and properly and equalized international faculty ARE given the same employment terms.

And for the record, this is coming from someone who IS on the tenure track, who HAS been promoted to Associate Professor, and who WILL make the promotion to Full Professor with full tenure in a couple more years, having followed the exact same sequence as my Korean colleagues.

Enough.

[Malislamusrex]

So what you are saying is... an instructor shouldn't get the same benefits as a tenured professor? But what if he has got a foreign passport? Surely a foreign passport puts a waygook at the same level as a Korean academic.

[PatrickGHBusan]

Malislamusrex,

PRagic gave you facts. He works as a tenure track professor and is a westerner. He answered the question clearly. Why do you refuse to accept it?

To answer your latest question: an instructor should in no way (and nowhere at any university would he) get the same pay and benefits as a tenure-track professor.

Instructors, if doing the same job and having the same duties, should get the same pay and benefits, regardless of race.

Now, why would a foreign passport put a westerner on the level as a Korean academic? That makes no sense so please explain.

[Jodami]

[Malislamusrex]

No it doesn't. I was amusing myself with that post.

But Jodami does make a pretty good point about the Korean education system. A lot of tenured professors have paid for their degrees.

[misher]

[PRagic]

Not saying that that still doesn't happen. It's unfortunate, an embarrassment, and thankfully generally relegated to smaller universities off the international radar if at all. Interesting that those 3 individuals would even admit to buying their positions these days. I can tell you that if information like that came to light where I work, heads would roll.

My comments centered on comparative opportunities, for example when a foreign tenure track professor is working alongside tenure track Korean colleagues with like qualifications. This is generally the case at large K universities and some small to medium size schools with international exchange programs.

And let's not forget that universities are not perfect institutions. Much as in any other type of organization, you're going to find instances of petty infighting, power struggles, racisim, sexism, and personality conflicts that
negatively impact individual circumstances. All anyone can do is aspire to make things better.

[liveinkorea316]

[PRagic]

Yeah, but he said they paid for their degrees, too. Weak. And one of the reasons there is a premium placed on doctorates earned outside of Korea. I'd be curious to learn from which universities those degrees were purchased, in what disciplines, and when.

[PatrickGHBusan]

[Jodami]

[Mikejelai]

What evidence is there that buying uni jobs is less prevalent now than before? I would think that it is more prevalent now (more PhDs competing for fewer jobs....). It is probably just more shameful/less talked about now, what with the suicides and other disclosures/news stories over the last sevral years..

[Mikejelai]

Here is another tenure track professor's take on it:

http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/info/mfop.htm

[liveinkorea316]

[PatrickGHBusan]