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Do White People Experience Racism in Korea?
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Stan Rogers

Joined: 20 Aug 2010

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:31 am Post subject:

After reading 15 pages I still think that we really haven't grasped the true meaning of racism.

Weigookin74

Joined: 26 Oct 2009

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:39 am Post subject:

So, I am to understand that the next time an ajossi says something ignorant to my girlfriend, I can say some ignorant words to him and let him hit me? After, I'll call the cops and hold him. Then, he'll either pay me or go to jail? (I won't beat the eff out of him if I can screw him in other ways.) But, if the system fails, nothings gonna get in my way.

Weigookin74

Joined: 26 Oct 2009

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:46 am Post subject:

optik404 wrote:

Fox wrote:

Weigookin74 wrote:

Now someone please show me some specific examples of foriegners being assulted and receiving a blood money payout. I have yet to see or hear of it. Please come forward. Then maybe I'd say it isn't racist. The cops only do something when it's a Korean.

Rather than being something the cops "do," is blood money not merely something the other party offers to accept in return for dropping charges? I suspect you are right that foreigners rarely if ever walk away with blood money, but how often do they actually request it? Koreans seem to be pretty aware of just how likely they are to win or lose in court and make demands accordingly (which is probably why Scorpion only had to apologize to the fellow he mentioned the other day instead of paying cash, for example: the man knew he would have gotten nothing in court but wasted time).

Has anyone here ever tried to demand blood money? If so, what were the circumstances and what was the response?

A guy I know got in to an altercation on the subway. He said a Korean guy bumped him while walking past on the train and he demanded an apology from him. Words exchanged and the Korean guy punched him. Fractured his eye socket iirc. Dragged the Korean guy off the train and they went to the police. Anyways, he went to the hospital, asked the Korean guy to pay his bills, the Korean guy wrote a letter saying he didn't have any money. My acquaintance got a lawyer (his student) and I think the guy ended up going to jail for not being able to pay. This is what the lawyer told me and I translated it to him. I always wondered how big the Korean must have been. Cause the guy I knew was at least 6' 200lbs and shredded

Lost touch with him after this, wasn't the first time he was in the police station. Previous time he was drunk and kicked a taxi cause he thought the guy ripped him off. He denied it but they had CCTV. Taxi driver asked for 300,000 but he said he only had 50,000 and the driver took it and they let him go.

Well, I hope it's not the only case where a foriegner got justice then. As for how big your friend was, size doesn't mean anything. Some folks are just strong and hit well. Some of those older ajossis are tough. I suspect if you weren't going the blood money route and wanted to just protect yourself, you'd have to grab, kick, punch, bite, smash and then get out of there.

I knew one guy who managed a night club who wouldn't hire the big beefy guys cause they'd always fold or hesitate. He'd always try to hire the average size guys who could scrap for his bouncers. Though that was just one guy. I've seen plenty of big bouncers and average sized bouncers in my day.

metalhead

Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:40 am Post subject:

joelove wrote:

The simple answer, after 15 pages, is yes, white people experience racism in Korea. The simple truth is Koreans are racist. Everybody wants to be politically correct I guess, but Koreans are extremely racist people. I don't know why, but Koreans are terribly racist. It is terrible.

Again, you have to understand, Korean people believe they are a race, a special group. Their whole being hinges upon this. "I am Korean" is utterly important to them. This breeds ugliness. I'd say more but I feel sick.

Yeah it's true, and a lot of it is institutionalised racism too. Anyone who denies that Korea is worse in this respect than other countries is delusional.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject:

Jodami wrote:

Stan Rogers wrote:

How do we define racism?

Racism is defined as being Korean. Wink

While Jodami says this literally, in a roundabout way that is what many on this board believe- that Korea is the epicenter of racism.

The place isn't paradise, but its not the worst. There's no DWB, merchants don't look at you like thieves, and people here do things like actually try and speak YOUR language in THEIR country. Yes, white folks experience racism. It can be bad, but its comparable to the racism minorities face in their own country or even less sometimes.

I dunno, to borrow from another thread, some of the racism whiners here come off a bit Sharpton-esqe in how much they complain and act like the whole world is out to get them. Another version of Angry Black (or Asian or Latino) Man syndrome.

byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:07 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

Jodami wrote:

Stan Rogers wrote:

How do we define racism?

Racism is defined as being Korean. Wink

Aha, the old standby deflection that you are so famous for.

World Traveler

Joined: 29 May 2009

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:49 pm Post subject:

Quote:

Kim Doo-nyeon, a law professor at Jungwon Univeristy, blames the local media for, spreading feelings of xenophobia.

“There is a tendency in the media to assume and exaggerate foreigners or illegal immigrants as future criminals,” he said. “The media is very responsible for xenophobia in Korea. They must stop producing news that is going to make people hate foreigners.”

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/116_139377.html

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject:

neilio wrote:

Were you the one who said you're almost 40? Seriously?

It's true I don't know you,... you don't sound like a nice person to know.

Either you make sacrifices for things that are valuable, or you don't. One of the things I value is women. So if you want to value "equality" or a "what's mine is mine" attitude that's cool if you lived in your own little bubble. But we're in a society here.

You must remember that every woman out there is someone's mother or sister or daughter. Treat them like you would your own.

I don't sound like a nice person to know because I believe in gender equality?? WTF???

If an old gray haired person steps on to the train and makes a move to come my way, I offer them my seat - regardless of gender.

If someone with obvious physical difficulties comes my way, I offer them my seat (if they're not begging) - regardless of gender.

If a parent comes on straining under the weight of carrying a baby/kid - I offer them my seat - regardless of gender.

But if an able bodied woman comes on - no, I don't offer her my seat. If you feel that a woman = feeble or whatever, that's on you.

EZE

Joined: 05 May 2012

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject:

I think there are more hardcore racists in Korea than in the West per capita. However, I think racism in the West is much worse because it's more aggressive, scarier, and more likely to result in acts of violence or vandalism. Racism in Korea tends to be much, much more passive.

Popocatepetl

Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:34 am Post subject:

EZE wrote:

I think there are more hardcore racists in Korea than in the West per capita. However, I think racism in the West is much worse because it's more aggressive, scarier, and more likely to result in acts of violence or vandalism. Racism in Korea tends to be much, much more passive.

Thats a good general summary.

Widespread Korean cultural acceptance of racism is tempered only by its even greater intolerance of violence.

Is passive racism really less harmful though if it prompts most Koreans to avoid meaningful relationships with, or not employ or never promote non-koreans? And that on a widespread scale.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:45 am Post subject:

optik404 wrote:

Alright, that sounds like roughly what would happen if a Korean had been in the same situation: don't (or can't) pay up, go to jail.

radcon wrote:

I remember the South African girl who got raped. Nasty brutal stuff. They caught the perp and he agreed to pay blood money under the condition that the girl "leave his country." Big balls on that guy. I don't know that the outcome was.

Well, if it was this woman, then it looks like she's not in South Korea anymore, but the article doesn't mention anything about blood money or terms surrounding it, just that her rapist was arrested. I assume there's nothing illegal about offering such a settlement, but I also wouldn't be shocked if any woman in her situation felt so unsafe remaining in Korea that she'd have left anyway of her own accord either, so I don't know. Anyone have any additional information on that?

More anecdotes would also be nice if possible.

Popocatepetl

Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:55 am Post subject:

optik404 wrote:

Doesn't seem plausible that a Korean would a) have no money and b) opt for jail rather than pay up.

All koreans ever do is save money. And if not them, their parents or extended family are always willing to donate or help out financially.

More likely, the lawyer lied and said the attacker had gone to jail just to put the foreigners mind at rest and get him to drop it. Because he couldn't get any compensation from him and the system wouldn't help.

optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:45 am Post subject:

Popocatepetl wrote:

optik404 wrote:

Yeah, your theory sounds much more plausible than a guy not having any money. Rolling Eyes

Household debt in Korea, look it up. Christ, some of you are paranoid as hell. How some of you can live in Korea being this paranoid is beyond me.

Popocatepetl

Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:47 am Post subject:

optik404 wrote:

Household debt in Korea, look it up.

You telling me the guy couldn't rustle up 1M won to avoid jail?

Not even through his vast family network of gomos, imos, samcheons, omahs and opahs?

Koreans would rather chop off their right arm than go to jail. Its permanent social suicide.

The only people that get imprisoned in korea are the homeless and destitute. Maybe the perpetrator was a street beggar.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:10 am Post subject:

Popocatepetl wrote:

optik404 wrote:

Household debt in Korea, look it up.

I see both sides. 1 million won should be easy to come by. On the other hand, a few days to a week (or even two) in the clink instead of shelling out money, I can see.

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