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Fox



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Challenge him to a duel.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Challenge him to a duel.


I swore not to do that anymore.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for picking on Kuros but he sure isn't a sadist. He's an optimist. That's probably worse.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
I'm all for picking on Kuros but he sure isn't a sadist. He's an optimist. That's probably worse.


Says the Utopian!
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not happy with Obama. He had a great opportunity on a variety of things and didn't do much. Some things he has done are very good. He has tried and has been stymied due to the fringe right. That said, I've noticed that the eternal Obama bashers don't have an alternative. Who is 'their' guy? In my view, we would have been worse off with both McCain or Romney. Which is pretty sad with the mistakes Obama has made. Obama is certainly no socialist or fringe liberal as is often clamied. The man is certainly centrist and right of center on a few things (civil liberties, drone strikes of Americans, etc.).
The Republican party had some decent candidates such as Huntsman and Johnson but Huntsman, a fine governor, sensible, made the 'mistake' of agreeing to be Obama's ambassador to China and if you even stand next to Obama...literally, not even agree but you just happen to be in a photo op, then you are tainted by the conservatives. Its that bad these days.
I suspect the Tea Party and the likes, main tactic is oppose and demonize Obama, no matter what it is, even if they actually like the proposal, even if their oppositon is bad for the country and I think they believe that in doing so they can get back in power and fix many of the problems we helped create. I truly believe that is the tactic.
I have NO faith in America coming back...or at least coming back in time. Hillary will win if she runs and she will face a similar fate as Obama with regards to being demonized. Christie can win possibly but will need the same Republicans who kept Romney from walking the primaries.
In the meantime, real change, needed change will not get done or get done half-assed as it will ALWAYS cater to big money or a group with a vested in interest in keeping the status quo, even if that status quo is not good for the general public.
We WILL slowly lose our international power and prestige. Not totally but enough for countries to start taking a serious look at befriending China instead.
I am not worried about the Titus' of America long term. The demographics and American opinion will make his kind a dinosaur in a decade or so.
The problem is that most Americans are ill informed. Which comes from a country where only a few companies and people control 80% of all mass media (music, movies, news, magazines). For 'real' unbiased news about America, Brit papers like The Guardian, Al Jazeera, are better. America is a country where no one has spent any time outside its borders so they believe everything that is told to them. A country where many people want things to change but feel so small and impotent to do anything they just complain quietly to themselves or to friends but no actual action is taken (which the government and big groups count on).
I am usually an optimist but two events in the same decade convinced me that there is not much hope for a revival. In the first decade of this country we saw 911 and a near fatal economic collapse and on both occasions we came out of it worse than before. 911 ushered in 2 wars, civil liberties pretty much gone and the near financial collapse has seen us farther apart and a shutdown and in position to have many things repeated.
We learned nothing. In prior crisis, Europe learned and excelled. Their great depression, World War 2, old enemies are now friends. Great infrastructure and we can all laugh at Greece or Spain or Italy but the reality is we are not much better. They have made mistakes like any other country (Europe), but having visited and spent a little time, there I'd take a job in Germany, Denmark or Belgium over a comparable job in America any day of the week.
We don't seem to learn and that will be our undoing this time. Reality tv age. Its sad, we had a nice little run, but we are the same as Rome in its last few hundred years, a dying republic/empire, living off its reputation.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
I am not happy with Obama. He had a great opportunity on a variety of things and didn't do much. Some things he has done are very good. He has tried and has been stymied due to the fringe right. That said, I've noticed that the eternal Obama bashers don't have an alternative. Who is 'their' guy? In my view, we would have been worse off with both McCain or Romney. Which is pretty sad with the mistakes Obama has made. Obama is certainly no socialist or fringe liberal as is often clamied. The man is certainly centrist and right of center on a few things (civil liberties, drone strikes of Americans, etc.).
The Republican party had some decent candidates such as Huntsman and Johnson but Huntsman, a fine governor, sensible, made the 'mistake' of agreeing to be Obama's ambassador to China and if you even stand next to Obama...literally, not even agree but you just happen to be in a photo op, then you are tainted by the conservatives. Its that bad these days.
I suspect the Tea Party and the likes, main tactic is oppose and demonize Obama, no matter what it is, even if they actually like the proposal, even if their oppositon is bad for the country and I think they believe that in doing so they can get back in power and fix many of the problems we helped create. I truly believe that is the tactic.
I have NO faith in America coming back...or at least coming back in time. Hillary will win if she runs and she will face a similar fate as Obama with regards to being demonized. Christie can win possibly but will need the same Republicans who kept Romney from walking the primaries.
In the meantime, real change, needed change will not get done or get done half-assed as it will ALWAYS cater to big money or a group with a vested in interest in keeping the status quo, even if that status quo is not good for the general public.
We WILL slowly lose our international power and prestige. Not totally but enough for countries to start taking a serious look at befriending China instead.
I am not worried about the Titus' of America long term. The demographics and American opinion will make his kind a dinosaur in a decade or so.
The problem is that most Americans are ill informed. Which comes from a country where only a few companies and people control 80% of all mass media (music, movies, news, magazines). For 'real' unbiased news about America, Brit papers like The Guardian, Al Jazeera, are better. America is a country where no one has spent any time outside its borders so they believe everything that is told to them. A country where many people want things to change but feel so small and impotent to do anything they just complain quietly to themselves or to friends but no actual action is taken (which the government and big groups count on).
I am usually an optimist but two events in the same decade convinced me that there is not much hope for a revival. In the first decade of this country we saw 911 and a near fatal economic collapse and on both occasions we came out of it worse than before. 911 ushered in 2 wars, civil liberties pretty much gone and the near financial collapse has seen us farther apart and a shutdown and in position to have many things repeated.
We learned nothing. In prior crisis, Europe learned and excelled. Their great depression, World War 2, old enemies are now friends. Great infrastructure and we can all laugh at Greece or Spain or Italy but the reality is we are not much better. They have made mistakes like any other country (Europe), but having visited and spent a little time, there I'd take a job in Germany, Denmark or Belgium over a comparable job in America any day of the week.
We don't seem to learn and that will be our undoing this time. Reality tv age. Its sad, we had a nice little run, but we are the same as Rome in its last few hundred years, a dying republic/empire, living off its reputation.





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