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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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The man had already been in jail on a two-year sentence for sexually abusing a minor in 2010. This time, he was charged with sexual abuse and public obscenity. |
So, he gets out of jail and he is just trying to pee? I don't think blue balls is enough to exonerate this man. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
young_clinton wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
However the judge and police should give the ol' wink-nod and let the community sort this guy out and give the same reason when the battered pervert makes complaint- he-said, they-said.
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No offense, but I wouldn't want to be sorted out by you and should never have to be sorted out by you. |
Fine by me. I'd be down with you sorting out a child molester. |
Did you mean "Fine by me. I'd be down without you sorting out a child molester"? |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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young_clinton wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
young_clinton wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
However the judge and police should give the ol' wink-nod and let the community sort this guy out and give the same reason when the battered pervert makes complaint- he-said, they-said.
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No offense, but I wouldn't want to be sorted out by you and should never have to be sorted out by you. |
Fine by me. I'd be down with you sorting out a child molester. |
Did you mean "Fine by me. I'd be down without you sorting out a child molester"? |
I meant if you caught some child molester in the act (with corroborating witnesses and victim) and wanted to administer some justice on the spot OR if someone you knew (family member, victim/perp was a neighbor/friend) was involved and the Judge turned them over to you, I'd have no problem with that. I'd be down with that.
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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That's how I read it. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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This is why I'm not wholly opposed to "community justice". Not mob justice, but a select few from the community who deal with these kinds of problems.
Technically under the law, with a he-said, they-said situation where its just public exposure, you probably can't slap him with more than a UIP.
However the judge and police should give the ol' wink-nod and let the community sort this guy out and give the same reason when the battered pervert makes complaint- he-said, they-said.
I normally despise the mob and such, but when it comes to attacks on children, particularly those of a sexual nature, tarring and feathering or some such might not be the worst idea. Or for example the Russian school parents who lynched one of the terrorists after they blew up that school. |
Hypocrite. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
This is why I'm not wholly opposed to "community justice". Not mob justice, but a select few from the community who deal with these kinds of problems.
Technically under the law, with a he-said, they-said situation where its just public exposure, you probably can't slap him with more than a UIP.
However the judge and police should give the ol' wink-nod and let the community sort this guy out and give the same reason when the battered pervert makes complaint- he-said, they-said.
I normally despise the mob and such, but when it comes to attacks on children, particularly those of a sexual nature, tarring and feathering or some such might not be the worst idea. Or for example the Russian school parents who lynched one of the terrorists after they blew up that school. |
Hypocrite. |
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
This is why I'm not wholly opposed to "community justice". Not mob justice, but a select few from the community who deal with these kinds of problems.
Technically under the law, with a he-said, they-said situation where its just public exposure, you probably can't slap him with more than a UIP.
However the judge and police should give the ol' wink-nod and let the community sort this guy out and give the same reason when the battered pervert makes complaint- he-said, they-said.
I normally despise the mob and such, but when it comes to attacks on children, particularly those of a sexual nature, tarring and feathering or some such might not be the worst idea. Or for example the Russian school parents who lynched one of the terrorists after they blew up that school. |
Hypocrite. |
Yes, because child molestation is the same thing as a car at an intersection.
We're talking EXTREME cases of sexual crimes against children and murder of children. Probably the most heinous crimes on our books, that and I acknowledged some tacit cooperation with the legal authorities. Otherwise, I despise the mob and vigilantes as I said.
I think one can be for "community justice" for child murderers and rapists and against people whacking cars and flinging coins without being a hypocrite.
Most people can envision a child rapist-murderer lynch mob and not see it as utterly absurd. On the other hand, the idea of people in orange vests whacking offender cars with umbrellas and flinging coins at them is comically absurd. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
This is why I'm not wholly opposed to "community justice". Not mob justice, but a select few from the community who deal with these kinds of problems.
Technically under the law, with a he-said, they-said situation where its just public exposure, you probably can't slap him with more than a UIP.
However the judge and police should give the ol' wink-nod and let the community sort this guy out and give the same reason when the battered pervert makes complaint- he-said, they-said.
I normally despise the mob and such, but when it comes to attacks on children, particularly those of a sexual nature, tarring and feathering or some such might not be the worst idea. Or for example the Russian school parents who lynched one of the terrorists after they blew up that school. |
Hypocrite. |
Yup, that's how I see it too. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Scorpion wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
This is why I'm not wholly opposed to "community justice". Not mob justice, but a select few from the community who deal with these kinds of problems.
Technically under the law, with a he-said, they-said situation where its just public exposure, you probably can't slap him with more than a UIP.
However the judge and police should give the ol' wink-nod and let the community sort this guy out and give the same reason when the battered pervert makes complaint- he-said, they-said.
I normally despise the mob and such, but when it comes to attacks on children, particularly those of a sexual nature, tarring and feathering or some such might not be the worst idea. Or for example the Russian school parents who lynched one of the terrorists after they blew up that school. |
Hypocrite. |
Yes, because child molestation is the same thing as a car at an intersection.
We're talking EXTREME cases of sexual crimes against children and murder of children. Probably the most heinous crimes on our books, that and I acknowledged some tacit cooperation with the legal authorities. Otherwise, I despise the mob and vigilantes as I said.
I think one can be for "community justice" for child murderers and rapists and against people whacking cars and flinging coins without being a hypocrite.
Most people can envision a child rapist-murderer lynch mob and not see it as utterly absurd. On the other hand, the idea of people in orange vests whacking offender cars with umbrellas and flinging coins at them is comically absurd. |
Here we go again. Suspected child molesters have now become "child murderers"? Although no sane person would belittle child molestation, the real danger to children's lives comes from Korean motorists. You are constructing yet another straw man. Not only that, you are advocating violent, criminal and illegal activity against someone not convicted in a court of law. Worse still, you are advocating that the courts and police become accomplices in your criminal activity.
But tossing a bek won at a car that broke the law, thereby endangering my life or that of one of my young students, must be met with the full force of the law.
You have been exposed as a shameless hypocrite. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Although no sane person would belittle child molestation, the real danger to children's lives comes from Korean motorists. |
I think rational people can separate the issue of appropriate crimes for child molesters and transportation safety. One is an issue for the Ministry of Justice (or in the U.S., the Department of Justice), the other would be in large part an issue for the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, and Transport.
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Not only that, you are advocating violent, criminal and illegal activity against someone not convicted in a court of law. |
For someone caught red-handed of raping or murdering a young child? Yes, I am.
I am fine with being for that and against coin flinging and car whacking. I don't see any hypocrisy.
I do see a rather desperate attempt to have a "gotcha" moment.
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But tossing a bek won at a car that broke the law, thereby endangering my life or that of one of my young students, must be met with the full force of the law.
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I didn't say it must be met with the full force of the law, never have. I simply said that it was not the right thing to do and that it should not be endorsed.
Like I said, does the report of Russian parents lynching one of the Beslan terrorists strike you as some savage miscarriage of justice? Does it seem like some sort of absurd spectacle?
Now comapre that with an image of a bunch of self-appointed crossing guards dispensing justice with umbrellas and flung coins. Does that image seem absurd? Not exactly the best form of justice?
So you are welcome to call me a hypocrite and a fraud or whatever for endorsing one of those and not the other. I for one, am fine with my stand.
Supporting both the lynch mob and the vigilante crossing guards maybe consistent, but that doesn't make the spectacle of umbrella wiedling, coin flinging men any less ridiculous. Comes across as some sort of cross between Robocop, Scrooge McDuck, and Mary Poppins. Congratulations you're not a hypocrite. Now, why don't you take that proposal down to city hall where I'm sure the key to the city is waiting for you. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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What if you tarred and feathered the wrong man? What if he was an identical twin, and you seized the wrong brother? What if he was wrongfully convicted the first time, and is now being wrongfully suspected of a 'repeat' offence? What if he was genuinely trying to pee? Not every Korean man who pees on the street, even within view of children, is necessarily a sex offender. There are just so many ways that this could go wrong. Even if guilty, you have set a precedent of taking the law into your own hands - and violently so. Where does it stop? Is everyone who Steelrails is convinced has abused children to be tarred and feathered? What about people who kill people while intoxicated but get off on a technicality? Call out the mob again? What if participants in your initial lynching decide there are other offences that equally deserve "community justice"? You have set a precedent of justifying mob violence. This has the potential to have dire consequences for the rule of law. If you lynch the wrong guy, and he commits suicide, will you do your ten years in jail without complaint?...Do you see where this is going, knucklehead?
Hypocrite. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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That's pretty much what I've been trying to say all along. None of these guys want to listen to that. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
So you are welcome to call me a hypocrite and a fraud or whatever for endorsing one of those and not the other. |
We're well ahead of you, chum. I think this thread is a wrap.
Steelrails for the fail. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Smithington wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
So you are welcome to call me a hypocrite and a fraud or whatever for endorsing one of those and not the other. |
We're well ahead of you, chum. I think this thread is a wrap.
Steelrails for the fail. |
You know, someone can be for the death penalty in one crime and against it for another, maybe that makes them a hypocrite, I don't know.
Likewise, I am for vigilante justice in the uber-extreme example of being caught red-handed raping or murdering a child. I am not for vigilante justice for someone running a stop sign.
Well, I guess that makes me a hypocrite. Have fun flinging coins and whacking umbrellas boys. Let me know when you form your first constabulary and what street corners you plan to deploy to. Mary's waiting. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Well, I guess that makes me a hypocrite. |
And the thread comes to a nice, tidy close.  |
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