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Hoost



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: Uni maximum contract renewals Reply with quote

Hi.

I have often heard that for non-tenure track EFL instructors there is a set limit to the amount of times an employee can renew their contract.

I have heard six years... Is it true or accurate?
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faeriehazel



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no law that limits the number of years a non-tenure track EFL instructor can work at a university. Universities have their own rules - I know some universities only keep their instructors on for three years, for example.

There is a law stating that "temporary workers" can only be employed for two years and then after that they must either be hired as regular workers or fired. I don't know how many university EFL instructors count as temporary workers though.
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I'm With You



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At Hongdae and Hankuk we were only permitted to stay for 2 years *4 yearrs for those teachers who were popular* and that was it. They were out on the street after that, regardless of their experience, academic qualifications, publications or popularity.

As I've argued in previous posts, there is a two-tiered system in Korean universities that exists: one for local professors and one for foreign instructors. And never the two shall meet. It's a night and day difference in terms of compensation, research budgets, bonuses, and social benefits. And of course job security.

Even those lucky foreign profs who are on tenure track, are often not paid the same as Korean teachers who hold the same status.

The academic apartheid in Korea will not change until foreign professors stop accepting positions at Korean universities. Eventually, the Korean government will get the message and begin ensuring that schools do not discriminate againist foreign instructors.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After so many years, and I think it's different for the public and private pension systems, instructors become vested and the matching pension payments the universities have to make increase substantially and that's what motivates some universities not to keep instructors any longer once that happens

As for the two-tier system written about above, no shit sherlock. But that's Korea. It's their ball so if you want to play it's by their rules. But keep in mind, foreign professors don't have to buy their positions and they don't have to make obligatory contributions to the university to keep their jobs.
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bluelake



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those teaching in private universities, everything is governed by the Private School Act. The particular part of the act that relates to how long someone works for a particular university is Article 54-4, which states:

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(3) The term of appointment for term teachers shall be less than 1 year, and it may
be extended within the extent of 3 years. <Newly Inserted by Act No. 5345, Aug. 22,
1997>
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faeriehazel



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same article states that 기간제교원 can only be hired under the following conditions:

1. If a professor is taking a temporary break due to physical or mental illness
2. If there is a position that is unfilled more than a month due to a professor being sent abroad, suspended, fired, or on vacation, and the successor must be supplemented. (I'm assuming this means that if they can't find someone to take over full time for over a month)
3. If a professor is supposed to fired has appealed the ruling and the school is therefore unable to hire a successor
4. If there is a specific subject that needs a temporary instructor.

Foreign instructors who teach ESL don't fall under any of these categories. They fall under the category of 조교수 (assistant professors) formerly called 전임강사 (what we'd call adjuncts). I know many ESL university instructors who have worked at their schools for far more than three years.
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bluelake



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

faeriehazel wrote:
The same article states that 기간제교원 can only be hired under the following conditions:

1. If a professor is taking a temporary break due to physical or mental illness
2. If there is a position that is unfilled more than a month due to a professor being sent abroad, suspended, fired, or on vacation, and the successor must be supplemented. (I'm assuming this means that if they can't find someone to take over full time for over a month)
3. If a professor is supposed to fired has appealed the ruling and the school is therefore unable to hire a successor
4. If there is a specific subject that needs a temporary instructor.

Foreign instructors who teach ESL don't fall under any of these categories. They fall under the category of 조교수 (assistant professors) formerly called 전임강사 (what we'd call adjuncts). I know many ESL university instructors who have worked at their schools for far more than three years.


Actually, you misunderstand the meaning of the article. What it implicitly means is that if a school hires someone for a fifth year (past the 1+3), then they are accepting that person as a regular employee of the school. So, yes, there probably are people you know who have been there far more than that many years.

Regarding your interpretation of 조교수, it is what it says it is: assistant professor, just like any Korean 조교수--at least in the eyes of the Ministry of Education. Universities have tried to pad their ranks in the past few years to get within the 40:1 student-teacher ratio the gov't requires in order to get funding and foreigners seemed like an easy and cheap way to do it. Also, not all are 조교수 (Some, like myself, are 부교수 [associate professor] or even 정교수 [full professor]); they are the three ranks recognized by the MoE.
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I'm With You



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:
As for the two-tier system written about above, no shit sherlock. But that's Korea. It's their ball so if you want to play it's by their rules.


Atwood,

You ignorant nut, that's what the Nazis said, too.

Play along.
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cabeza



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With You wrote:
atwood wrote:
As for the two-tier system written about above, no shit sherlock. But that's Korea. It's their ball so if you want to play it's by their rules.


Atwood,

You ignorant nut, that's what the Nazis said, too.

Play along.


What the *beep* is wrong with you? Nazis? Korean universities? Get a grip man.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:
As for the two-tier system written about above, no shit sherlock. But that's Korea. It's their ball so if you want to play it's by their rules. But keep in mind, foreign professors don't have to buy their positions and they don't have to make obligatory contributions to the university to keep their jobs.

Westerners are native speakers of English- the most important and useful language in the history of civilization. (Koreans are not.) Hence, Westerners should be compensated well and given preferential treatment. In actuality, there are some some drawbacks we face (such as low pay and lack of job security). To unequivocally say we have it good (and are being fairly treated and compensated) would be a mistake.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
atwood wrote:
As for the two-tier system written about above, no shit sherlock. But that's Korea. It's their ball so if you want to play it's by their rules. But keep in mind, foreign professors don't have to buy their positions and they don't have to make obligatory contributions to the university to keep their jobs.

Westerners are native speakers of English- the most important and useful language in the history of civilization. (Koreans are not.) Hence, Westerners should be compensated well and given preferential treatment. In actuality, there are some some drawbacks we face (such as low pay and lack of job security). To unequivocally say we have it good (and are being fairly treated and compensated) would be a mistake.

I never said "we" had it good. I admitted it's a two-tier system.

As for your comments regarding compensation, I agree to a point and that point is qualifications. Most of the Westerners you're speaking of just aren't truly qualified to be tenure track professors. So go wave your distance learning MA elsewhere.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:
Most of the Westerners you're speaking of just aren't truly qualified to be tenure track professors.

Which is why they receive a fraction of the pay real K-profs get. But Westerners speak the world's lingua franca at a native level. That should count for something big. Also, salaries are much better in the West, as those countries are wealthier than Korea (meaning other options to earn money). Disagree if you want, but the less people complain, the more salaries in Korea will deteriorate. Is that what you want?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
atwood wrote:
Most of the Westerners you're speaking of just aren't truly qualified to be tenure track professors.

Which is why they receive a fraction of the pay real K-profs get. But Westerners speak the world's lingua franca at a native level. That should count for something big. Also, salaries are much better in the West, as those countries are wealthier than Korea (meaning other options to earn money). Disagree if you want, but the less people complain, the more salaries in Korea will deteriorate. Is that what you want?

Just because you speak English you want to be paid like a top executive? What's ironic about that it that's the attitude many Koreans have and they use it to come to the opposite conclusion--anyone who speaks English can teach it, so why should we pay them a lot to teach.
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faeriehazel



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluelake wrote:


Regarding your interpretation of 조교수, it is what it says it is: assistant professor, just like any Korean 조교수--at least in the eyes of the Ministry of Education. Universities have tried to pad their ranks in the past few years to get within the 40:1 student-teacher ratio the gov't requires in order to get funding and foreigners seemed like an easy and cheap way to do it. Also, not all are 조교수 (Some, like myself, are 부교수 [associate professor] or even 정교수 [full professor]); they are the three ranks recognized by the MoE.

Most foreigners are 조교수 but they were formally categorized as 전임강사. In another thread someone notes that when they were hired the requirement was 3 years not four. That's because she was hired as 전임강사. Recently they did away with that category so most esl teachers are being hired as 조교수 now, which has a more stringent requirement of 4 years. The government did this in order to force schools to treat their adjuncts better (by putting them into a "higher" category.) I don't think I'm disagreeing with you; just clarifying what I meant.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends on the univ. I have numerous friends at numerous univs where they say there is a 4 year limit but have been there 10 years+. When I was hired at my present univ there was a 4 year limit but last year the admin said that no longer applied but if we were ranked in the bottom 20% of faculty in student evals for 2 successive semesters you can't be renewed
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