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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean people do seem to have a culturally-ingrained lack of thought for strangers. Perhaps this is due to the low-trust values in Korean society, or a run-off of struggling to survive harsh social conditions and crippling poverty.
It is very much a 'go for self' frame of mind here, demonstrated in everything from concepts of personal space to getting on a bus.
My wife is Korean and she is often reluctant to go on holiday where other Koreans flock to, simply because of the sheer noise they make.
We were in Malaysia a few years ago and were staying in the same hotel as some boisterous Korean high-school kids. My missus couldn't sleep because of their noise so she shut down their party quick sharp haha. In fairness to them, they didn't try to sass her when she told them to STFU.
If I had done that to some British kids, they would probably have just told me to *beep* off!
As for flying with Koreans, they are always the first to stand up after landing - completely ignoring the request to stay seated. I flew BA to London last summer and the air crew were having none of it. It was like watching children being chastised. My wife was quite embarrassed.
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optik404



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst thing I ever saw on a flight from KR-US was before departing the korean dude next to me was trying to put his bag in the overhead compartment. But there was already a bag up there taking most of the space. So to make his bag fit, he started punching it with full force to squeeze his bag in to it. Finally the owner of the bag, this big black US military dude who was sitting next to me stood up and said hey man be careful, the Korean guy said sorry and put his bag in and sat down. It was hella awkward the entire 15hr trip cause they were seated next to each other across from the aisle. He was cool though. We got to talking and he was super happy to be leaving Korea rofl. Said he never left base the entire time and just stayed in his room.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
Scorpion, why not call them on it? If anyone, Korean or otherwise, is bothering me during a trip, I let them know. especially if we're stuck together for a bit. Someone kicking my seat… or using it to do push ups, would quickly be getting a correction from me.


Because it never happened. Or he's just a scaredycat.


You are quickly becoming one of the more annoying posters on Daves. If you've nothing sensible to post then move on to another thread.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I schedule my flights at peak times that have a great chance of being overbooked so I can fly the next day after getting upgraded to business class. A little pricier on the initial ticket, but boy nothing like that free upgrade.

Enjoy the peasant compartment with all the riff-raff.

If I'm forced into economy I think I'd just pop a bunch of pills beforehand, liquor myself up, and blast loud music in my headphones if any of that ridiculousness started.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Enjoy the peasant compartment with all the riff-raff.


Why do I get the impression that if anyone else had written that you'd be all over them.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Enjoy the peasant compartment with all the riff-raff.


Why do I get the impression that if anyone else had written that you'd be all over them.


Probably right. It's still the biggest truism out there- Economy class blows. Country of origin does not matter. You're still in a crappy seat for way too long and confined. The only way I'd be able to tolerate it is if it was all booked full of attractive women.

The only difference between Korean or any other nationality in economy class is more or less worse. There is no good.
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optik404



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
optik404 wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
Scorpion, why not call them on it? If anyone, Korean or otherwise, is bothering me during a trip, I let them know. especially if we're stuck together for a bit. Someone kicking my seat… or using it to do push ups, would quickly be getting a correction from me.


Because it never happened. Or he's just a scaredycat.


You are quickly becoming one of the more annoying posters on Daves. If you've nothing sensible to post then move on to another thread.


The guy that signs on every day to talk smack about Koreans is calling other people annoying.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:
The worst thing I ever saw on a flight from KR-US was before departing the korean dude next to me was trying to put his bag in the overhead compartment. But there was already a bag up there taking most of the space. So to make his bag fit, he started punching it with full force to squeeze his bag in to it. Finally the owner of the bag, this big black US military dude who was sitting next to me stood up and said hey man be careful, the Korean guy said sorry and put his bag in and sat down. It was hella awkward the entire 15hr trip cause they were seated next to each other across from the aisle. He was cool though. We got to talking and he was super happy to be leaving Korea rofl. Said he never left base the entire time and just stayed in his room.

"It never happened."

Sounds like exaggeration.

(Actually, it sounds right on the money for the patterns already described, i.e. no consideration for anyone else's space, property, etc.)
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Scorpion, why not call them on it? If anyone, Korean or otherwise, is bothering me during a trip, I let them know. especially if we're stuck together for a bit. Someone kicking my seat… or using it to do push ups, would quickly be getting a correction from me.

Yeah you can call them on it, and often you have to, but it can sometimes seem like it becomes a full time job when traveling with Koreans.

A few random incidents are understandable, but it's pretty much a pattern: Things that others seem to know would be irritating, they often don't seem to know or care about. Plus you can really only control things in your immediate vicinity.

On our last flight to the Philippines, we were surrounded by them and it was a constant battle to not go postal. And this was after we had already fixed the problem of the seat kickers behind us, where we made them move in front of us.
My friend (in a different area) had the pushup thing happening on his seat, as well as a full glass of orange juice spilled on his shoulders, with no apology whatsoever. Beyond the noise, they were pretty much running around the entire flight. We (including Korean gf) got off the flight and agreed to try to go wherever the fewest amount of Koreans were. After that flight, it became our mission for the vacation.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very much agreed, mix1. That mirrors a lot of my experiences as well. Especially if I'm surrounded by a package tour or a group of teens being brought overseas for the first time.

Ya can't call everyone on their %$#@ every time, we know that. I was more curious if other people did it as well though.
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Otter



Joined: 10 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Very much agreed, mix1. That mirrors a lot of my experiences as well. Especially if I'm surrounded by a package tour or a group of teens being brought overseas for the first time.

Ya can't call everyone on their %$#@ every time, we know that. I was more curious if other people did it as well though.


I've found saying something that they don't know like 'Pipe down', in an authoritive tone works well, especially if you can do a 'cross face'. Also booking a window seat is a good idea, if it is an option.

I'm always polite to the staff on the plane, it always gets you better service and everyone is a winner. But, if I have some baby Klown hammering the back of my seat for no reason, I will turn around and say 'What the hell you doing there little boy'? It usually resolves the situation.

Sometimes Europeans and Americans are too polite. On occasion it is important to tell people to get bent, and behave themselves.

I hate flying, but it must be done sometimes, My first flight in secondary school, we didn't need to be told what to do on a plane. All the kids had manners.

Plane-plain consideration for fellow passengers is all that is needed.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otter wrote:

I hate flying, but it must be done sometimes, My first flight in secondary school, we didn't need to be told what to do on a plane. All the kids had manners.


Seriously? A bunch of teenagers on a flight together are focused on MANNERS? And thats what you remember of the flight? Not trying to make out with someone or all watching the movie? Now was everyone rude? Probably not, but I'm pretty sure there was at least one passenger there who was a little agitated by you and your fellow students.

Sorry, but I think you're whitewashing a bit of your youth.

That being said, steerage sucks and Ksteerage doesn't sound like fun.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my last KR-US flight I sat next to an extremely old Korean couple and aside from their constant bathroom breaks it was great. Honestly I think I prefer sitting next to Asians as I'm 6'2 and they are generally fairly small so that leaves more leg room for me....also they rarely attempt to talk to you.

Oh, and the only thing which is almost as bad as being stuck near a crying baby is having to sit next to a really fat westerner who won't shut up for 12 hours. When I was waiting in the terminal in Inchon a 6'5 chubby ginger wearing a Larry Bird jersey and a really thick Boston accent sat next to me and for some reason decided to introduce himself and tell me his life story. I sat there praying I wouldn't get stuck next to him.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the point being made here is that a lot of Korean tourists are quite inconsiderate, and this stems from a socially-conditioned selfishness. Too many Koreans simply do not seem to understand, or care, how their actions may affect others. This is obviously a generalization, but the perception of strangers and how to behave around them is quite different in Korea to what we are used to.
Saying that, I think some people on this board are very preoccupied with their Korea-hate, and they focus on finding faults in Koreans. People can be annoying - no matter where they are from. Getting on a plane and going to a popular tourist destination is always going to be testing.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that Korean airplane behavior has slightly improved in 10 years. Remember when I first got here. Once the plane landed, and was heading to the terminal, almost every Korean was standing getting their bags. Now it's like 20% of them. And if your on a foreign airline, they are much better behaved as opposed to flying a Korean carrier into Korea.
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