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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genrally school which teach K also teach elementary kids and have longer working hours.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2004 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Why no kindergarden? Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
VanIslander wrote:
Kwangjuchicken wrote:
kindergarden, no problem at all. I mean, what other job allows you to eat cookies and draw crayon pictures of chickens and calls it work?

If you want the pleasures of teaching as opposed to babysitting, the skills required to teach kids who don't sit still and have an average attention span of ten seconds is very different than those needed to teach the same kids two years later.

With kids this age, drawing pictures and singing songs and eating IS teaching. This is where their developmental needs are at this point.

I'm still not sure I'd ever want to teach them in Korea.

Are you teaching kinders now, Kwangjuchicken?


Yes it is teaching. And because of their age, and the fact that I only use English and it is as if they are American kids being in a kindergarden class with an American teacher they aquire a lot of English very fast.

I had kindergarden and even preschool at my last college for 2 years.

At my college before that, I think they might have been around 2ed grade age.

Now, youngest is like 8 in western age.


What about you?




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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2004 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with kindy is that the classes are often in the morning, which gives you a split shift and then even if you do elementary your boss can throw extra kindy classes at you if he doesn't think you're teaching enough.

My old school had everything from kindy to adult and my new school is only elementary and because of this change I've gone from having as many as 8 classes before to as little as 4 now, because my boss has a lot less flexibility when it comes to throwing classes at me. Which is why I'm not signing on for a school with a morning kindy program ever again, I love my new schedule far far too much.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: Re: Why no kindergarden? Reply with quote

Kwangjuchicken wrote:
What about you?

3 kinder classes, 3 1st grade, 1 2nd, 1 5th
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what my schedule was:

1) 5 kindies
2) 6 kindies
3) 4 first graders
4) 3 second graders
5) 1 6th grader, 1 middle schooler

Now:

1) 9 kindies (teach one book)
2) 11 kindies (teach two books at the same time)
3) 9 first and second graders (teach three books at the same time)
4) 8 3rd and 4th gradners (teach three books at the same time)
5) same as before (teach two books at the same time)
6) 7 5th graders (wasn't given a book)

The combination of my classes doubling in size, me becoming the only English teacher (Korean or foreigner), and having to teach as many as 3 books in one class period... all that stuff in happening simultaneously is pushing me over the edge.
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UncleAlex



Joined: 04 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:30 am    Post subject: Kindies Reply with quote

It seems that female foreign teachers have a less stressful and traumatic
time with Korean pre-schoolers because of their gender. Korean children
fear their mothers far more than they do their fathers, for it's mom who
normally exacts punishment at home, the fathers hardly ever there with
their 12 hour work days and late night drinking sessions with their pals at
a hof or soju bang. The size of the classroom chairs make no difference
in the children's behaviour with male foreign teachers. And what good is
putting a crayon in the child's hand in affecting his behaviour if he keeps
throwing it away everytime the teacher tries to get him to colour. I guess
in order to succeed as a kindergarten teacher in a Korean hogwan, I've
got to enter the classroom as a convincing Cool drag queen.
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Bunnymonster



Joined: 16 Mar 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you might have hit the nail on the head. Mine throw away crayons, or break them into small pieces. They also tear up any flashcards I take into the room, steal any colured paper I try to take into them and refuse to mimic the sounds or actions I perform. They also swcratch kick, bite and are generally aggressive towards me and each other. I honestly have no idea what I am supposed to do with them (my supervisor has suggested that my 'special talents' should allow me to teach them wonderfully). Apparently I am not teaching them well enough and that this is one of the reasons why my position is at risk..... Any suggestions anyone (I don't see wearing a dress as an ideal play). Adding to the gender problem is the fact that I have to 'teach' them for an hour when they have laready been at school for almost 2 hours which is way too long for 3-4 yr olds to have to be anywhere let alone in a classroom......
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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunnymonster wrote:
I think you might have hit the nail on the head. Mine throw away crayons, or break them into small pieces. They also tear up any flashcards I take into the room, steal any colured paper I try to take into them and refuse to mimic the sounds or actions I perform. They also swcratch kick, bite and are generally aggressive towards me and each other. I honestly have no idea what I am supposed to do with them (my supervisor has suggested that my 'special talents' should allow me to teach them wonderfully). Apparently I am not teaching them well enough and that this is one of the reasons why my position is at risk..... Any suggestions anyone (I don't see wearing a dress as an ideal play). Adding to the gender problem is the fact that I have to 'teach' them for an hour when they have laready been at school for almost 2 hours which is way too long for 3-4 yr olds to have to be anywhere let alone in a classroom......
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I agree kindergarten is tough. I still don't really know how to teach them, and it will never be my strong point. What helped a bit though, was doing a "classroom etiquette" course for the month of March in which myself with the Korean teacher taught them simple commands such as sit down, be quiet, clean up, don't run, etc.

It's still very trying most days but teaching them that stuff did make a big difference.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: Kindies Reply with quote

UncleAlex wrote:
It seems that female foreign teachers have a less stressful and traumatic
time with Korean pre-schoolers because of their gender. Korean children
fear their mothers far more than they do their fathers, for it's mom who
normally exacts punishment at home, the fathers hardly ever there with
their 12 hour work days and late night drinking sessions with their pals at
a hof or soju bang. The size of the classroom chairs make no difference
in the children's behaviour with male foreign teachers. And what good is
putting a crayon in the child's hand in affecting his behaviour if he keeps
throwing it away everytime the teacher tries to get him to colour. I guess
in order to succeed as a kindergarten teacher in a Korean hogwan, I've
got to enter the classroom as a convincing Cool drag queen.



Well I am a big hairy guy. And I have always loved kindergarden. Maybe I have been lucky. I hear these stories, for example, about kids throwing crayons. Mine never have done that. They love to draw. And enjoy helping put the crayons away after class.

The lab is going to close now. I will share a few things later about what I do that might be why I have had good results with them.


Very Happy
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught at a pretty good Kindy school last year in Hannam-Dong. They had the Kindermusik and the whole bit, too. I enjoyed working there, because I had 3 Korean teachers in the room with me at all times. Kindy was fun, but got boring. I'm glad something better came along after the 6 month contract was finished.

Given their level of English, if I had to teach the kids by myself, it would have been hell.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people are better with young kids, and some are better with older kids. I personally love the elementary age students, because they still like learning, know how to have fun, and also have a basic grasp of behaving. All of the students that I remember from my first contract were elementary kids. Cute little girls and Power Ranger boys all over the place.

However, I can also walk into a middle school class and actually manage to get them talking. It takes a little time, but it does happen. This drives most foreigners clean up the wall.

When it comes to kindergarten, however, I stink. I'm awful. If I'm around kids that age, all that I want to do is play with them. If I make any effort to study, everybody's sad, myself included. That doesn't mean that kindergarten is awful; it just means that I'm not very good at it.

Different strokes for different folks.
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Bunnymonster



Joined: 16 Mar 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What how lucky, no its just me and three or four little 'treasures' who I try to stop killing each other, or from destroying anything valuable, or from crying because one of them has something they want and the person with said item is taunting the one who doesn't. I also am expected to create a syllabus for these kids from one page from a book which is in effect a large picture each and every day. It would be not so unreasonable if I had loads of time to go out and buy props and an extensiive library of flashcards etc o work from, unfortunately I have another 8 classes each day to think about, I really feel like someone is taking the piss. This amongst other things is making me look long and hard at that working holiday visa for Australia, pulling pints for minimum wage on a beach somewhere would be sooo nice right now.......
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