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South Gyeongsang Province cuts all public middle school NETs
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
The teacher cannot sue the mother? Hot coffee.

Don't exactly want a pissed off mother for the next few years. And lots of office politics to deal with, like the principal... you don't want to be branded as a 'trouble making' teacher at your next school. The points being handed out are often very very subjective too.

I used to think teachers were lazy too, and had a cushy job. But at least we don't have to deal with all the politics, since we won't understand. But it's similar to back home.

Also, felt sorry for the kid, he seemed pretty ashamed of his mother and after that never was a problem in her class.
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mayorhaggar



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Popocatepetl wrote:
All this means is that they will hire more foreigners in after-school programs.


My province is ending these programs.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spending on English is going down, in both the public and private sector.
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the Education Ministry revealed recently that Korean parents spent 19 trillion won last year on all private education for their children, down 5.4 percent from a year earlier
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Yes, some are lazy, and some aren't. But have you actually seen them their whole career of teaching? A lot are very very jaded and basically 'given up' and just want to coast to retirement without causing a ruckus.

Probably they don't like it because they don't like dealing with Korean students, who are becoming ruder every year. But do you think those students are any less disrespectful to the NET (who has little to no power)? Hell no.

To sum up: Korean teachers work less than us but get paid way more.

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Teachers are paid well in South Korea. Lower secondary teachers can expect a mid-career salary of $52,699

http://www.ncee.org/programs-affiliates/center-on-international-education-benchmarking/top-performing-countries/south-korea-overview/south-korea-teacher-and-principal-quality/
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
To sum up: Korean teachers work less than us but get paid way more.

I don't get where you get this notion that Korean teachers work less than us? I agree they get more money than us, but what do you expect?

I work 22 hours, but most regular Korean homeroom teachers, that I've seen, work 16-20 hours of classes. On top of that they have got to tend to their homeroom students. If they are seniors, they've got to help students submit MS, HS, or University applications. They've got to grade, keep student files updated, deal with parents, deal with punishing students, go to the hospital if a student ends up in hospital, write tests, attend meetings, and cater to more senior 'education officials'. And if they are assigned to take care of the NET, they basically hold our hands for the first few weeks in country. I do none of that.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with jvalmer's points. Also, some of us get paid substantially more than K-teachers in the early years of their careers. Granted, we've got a lower ceiling.

My province was in line to cut secondary school positions but changed course this year & will retain them for at least another two or three years. Elementary positions look solid for a good while to come, in outer provinces anyway.
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wonkavite62



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:58 am    Post subject: South Jeolla Province Cut High Sghool Teachers? Reply with quote

I didn't realise that South Jeolla Province cut High School teachers as well. I am there now, and thinking of staying another year. It's the first time I have heard that there were cutbacks in THIS province. I have heard different views as to why the cutbacks are happening. The same political party has (unfortunately) been in power since 2007. President Lee Myung Bak introduced a very rigorous visa process-which partly explains why it took more than one attempt for me to get here. But he at least wanted more NET'S. Conservatives might think that the cutbacks are necessary due to poor economic performance. But is that the reason for it? Some people have told me that they are cutting back on western teachers quite simply because the level of English has gone up so that we are no longer needed. One of my friends who studied Korean at university said that the real reason for the cutbacks is that rich parents think that NET's in public schools are removing the advantages for wealthy kids in the English exam. That may be true. But I think that there is a xenophobic streak somewhere in the Saenuri party.
Rich and older people vote for them because they remember the good old days of martial law and dictators-but hey that created an economic miracle!!!!!!! So the old system is the answer, they think. Meanwhile the younger voters, who WANT something better, and value education, decide to
protest by not voting. Like Russel Brand, in a small way. At least though, there still seems to be some chance of me being kept on another year. But I wish this was 2003.
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grant gerstners



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I presume, here to invoke a broader perspective on the forces at work in the region (not just in Korea). But I'm just guessing.

I sometimes wonder if the cuts in Korea are partly a manipulation aimed at getting westerners more focused on teaching in Japan, and perhaps other regions.

In anticipation of the Olympics in Japan in 2020, there is supposedly a desire to get more of the Japanese to be able to speak English. They want to start getting ready for that now. Some of you/us might well end up in Japan. I gather things are better in Japan, long-term, although I hear the start-up costs and cost of living are higher.

[But the reimbursed airfare and free apartments in Korea were all just to facilitate getting a bunch of us all acquainted with how the reality of working abroad can work. Now we know how to do it. Enough of you/us are now equipped to do it somewhere else.]

In addition, the hoped for "economic integration" of southeast Asian nations (google: ASEAN) in 2015 will likely include an eventual push for more English education in those nations.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: South Jeolla Province Cut High Sghool Teachers? Reply with quote

wonkavite62 wrote:
I didn't realise that South Jeolla Province cut High School teachers as well. I am there now, and thinking of staying another year. It's the first time I have heard that there were cutbacks in THIS province. I have heard different views as to why the cutbacks are happening. The same political party has (unfortunately) been in power since 2007. President Lee Myung Bak introduced a very rigorous visa process-which partly explains why it took more than one attempt for me to get here. But he at least wanted more NET'S. Conservatives might think that the cutbacks are necessary due to poor economic performance. But is that the reason for it? Some people have told me that they are cutting back on western teachers quite simply because the level of English has gone up so that we are no longer needed. One of my friends who studied Korean at university said that the real reason for the cutbacks is that rich parents think that NET's in public schools are removing the advantages for wealthy kids in the English exam. That may be true. But I think that there is a xenophobic streak somewhere in the Saenuri party.
Rich and older people vote for them because they remember the good old days of martial law and dictators-but hey that created an economic miracle!!!!!!! So the old system is the answer, they think. Meanwhile the younger voters, who WANT something better, and value education, decide to
protest by not voting. Like Russel Brand, in a small way. At least though, there still seems to be some chance of me being kept on another year. But I wish this was 2003.

You do realize that the Saenuri Party is the most pro-Western of all the parties in Korea. If a so-called 'left-leaning' party were in power, the cuts to English education would even be worse.

And rich, and old, people vote for them because they are the least likely to bend-over to NK.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: South Jeolla Province Cut High Sghool Teachers? Reply with quote

wonkavite62 wrote:
I didn't realise that South Jeolla Province cut High School teachers as well.

Shocked You teach high school there and just now found out about it? Wow. I can't believe no one at your school bothered to tell you about that until now. I've known about South Jeolla's cutting of all high school teachers for a while now, and I don't even live there. I was going to post on Dave's about that a while back, but I figured it was old news and maybe everybody knew about it already so I didn't.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: South Jeolla Province Cut High Sghool Teachers? Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
wonkavite62 wrote:
I didn't realise that South Jeolla Province cut High School teachers as well. I am there now, and thinking of staying another year. It's the first time I have heard that there were cutbacks in THIS province. I have heard different views as to why the cutbacks are happening. The same political party has (unfortunately) been in power since 2007. President Lee Myung Bak introduced a very rigorous visa process-which partly explains why it took more than one attempt for me to get here. But he at least wanted more NET'S. Conservatives might think that the cutbacks are necessary due to poor economic performance. But is that the reason for it? Some people have told me that they are cutting back on western teachers quite simply because the level of English has gone up so that we are no longer needed. One of my friends who studied Korean at university said that the real reason for the cutbacks is that rich parents think that NET's in public schools are removing the advantages for wealthy kids in the English exam. That may be true. But I think that there is a xenophobic streak somewhere in the Saenuri party.
Rich and older people vote for them because they remember the good old days of martial law and dictators-but hey that created an economic miracle!!!!!!! So the old system is the answer, they think. Meanwhile the younger voters, who WANT something better, and value education, decide to
protest by not voting. Like Russel Brand, in a small way. At least though, there still seems to be some chance of me being kept on another year. But I wish this was 2003.

You do realize that the Saenuri Party is the most pro-Western of all the parties in Korea. If a so-called 'left-leaning' party were in power, the cuts to English education would even be worse.

And rich, and old, people vote for them because they are the least likely to bend-over to NK.


Yeah, when LMB was in power he was foriegner friendly. The other party winning regional elections in Seoul and Gyonggi first started cutting back on us. But with LMB's party still in power, they've done an about face and changed direction. Probably fooled a lot of people.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: South Jeolla Province Cut High Sghool Teachers? Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
wonkavite62 wrote:
I didn't realise that South Jeolla Province cut High School teachers as well. I am there now, and thinking of staying another year. It's the first time I have heard that there were cutbacks in THIS province. I have heard different views as to why the cutbacks are happening. The same political party has (unfortunately) been in power since 2007. President Lee Myung Bak introduced a very rigorous visa process-which partly explains why it took more than one attempt for me to get here. But he at least wanted more NET'S. Conservatives might think that the cutbacks are necessary due to poor economic performance. But is that the reason for it? Some people have told me that they are cutting back on western teachers quite simply because the level of English has gone up so that we are no longer needed. One of my friends who studied Korean at university said that the real reason for the cutbacks is that rich parents think that NET's in public schools are removing the advantages for wealthy kids in the English exam. That may be true. But I think that there is a xenophobic streak somewhere in the Saenuri party.
Rich and older people vote for them because they remember the good old days of martial law and dictators-but hey that created an economic miracle!!!!!!! So the old system is the answer, they think. Meanwhile the younger voters, who WANT something better, and value education, decide to
protest by not voting. Like Russel Brand, in a small way. At least though, there still seems to be some chance of me being kept on another year. But I wish this was 2003.

You do realize that the Saenuri Party is the most pro-Western of all the parties in Korea. If a so-called 'left-leaning' party were in power, the cuts to English education would even be worse.

And rich, and old, people vote for them because they are the least likely to bend-over to NK.

Yeah, when LMB was in power he was foriegner friendly. The other party winning regional elections in Seoul and Gyonggi first started cutting back on us. But with LMB's party still in power, they've done an about face and changed direction. Probably fooled a lot of people.

Can you blame them? It's an easy cut with no political backlash.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
...My province was in line to cut secondary school positions but changed course this year & will retain them for at least another two or three years...

Quoting myself to add an update. Gangwon provincial honchos today announced a new budget crunch that is now likely to affect the number of positions in 2014.

The short-term situation is volatile. The longer trend is clear.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way. Korea must be better. The market here must be even more flooded than Korea.
I work in Tokyo and my contract ends in March.
I have gotten zero interviews at all for next year.
At this point I may head back to the US in the spring, doing Teach for America.
In Japan teachers are mostly either overqualified (with presentations, articles, books, etc.) or fresh off the boat with youth and no experience.

Anyway, I would say Korea is doing a better job than Japan at teaching English. In Japan, the cuts to teachers in JET previously was just a way to save money.
At least the Education Ministry ordered high school teachers to teach classes in English and stop using Japanese.

Korea seems to follow Japan. The birth rate is low and schools will close. It is only a matter of time. Schools have lowered their standards and let in anyone.

I get a bit over 50,000 US in Tokyo. Can I do that in Korea? I assume not.

Japan is expensive but I tell you, I was in Korea in 1998 and it has gotten a lot more expensive since then, but the Tokyo area is an expensive place to live in. The key money is a lot. If you lose your job you may have to move to be near the next one, then pay more key money to a new landlord.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
No way. Korea must be better. The market here must be even more flooded than Korea.
I work in Tokyo and my contract ends in March.
I have gotten zero interviews at all for next year.
At this point I may head back to the US in the spring, doing Teach for America.
In Japan teachers are mostly either overqualified (with presentations, articles, books, etc.) or fresh off the boat with youth and no experience.

Anyway, I would say Korea is doing a better job than Japan at teaching English. In Japan, the cuts to teachers in JET previously was just a way to save money.
At least the Education Ministry ordered high school teachers to teach classes in English and stop using Japanese.

Korea seems to follow Japan. The birth rate is low and schools will close. It is only a matter of time. Schools have lowered their standards and let in anyone.

I get a bit over 50,000 US in Tokyo. Can I do that in Korea? I assume not.

Japan is expensive but I tell you, I was in Korea in 1998 and it has gotten a lot more expensive since then, but the Tokyo area is an expensive place to live in. The key money is a lot. If you lose your job you may have to move to be near the next one, then pay more key money to a new landlord.


Japanese key money is shiite. In Korea, you can at least get it back. Seoul is prob stil cheaper than Tokyo though not much. In the Korean provinces, rents and key money are cheaper. This is only if you want your own place. Most employers provide one though many will be very old dingy cheap apartments though not always.
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