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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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I've been saying it over and over- If people want to "take the place back" they have to start spending and investing long-term into the place. Get your cheap friends to spend 20 bucks on a meal.
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Never going to happen. Most are here only temporarily and have no real plans of setting down roots. But people sure love to whine about every little thing on here.
Move to a completely new country, make no effort to assimilate and complain about the locals. Lifers and long term residents only make up a fraction of the foreigners here, might as well make the best of the little time you have in this country. |
Going to Itaewon once a month, the weekend after payday, and enjoying some foreign food while you are there is hardly "making no effort to assimilate and complaining about the locals." One part of Seoul has some foreign restaurants and now many of those restaurants are being bought out and replaced by skin shops. Is that a good thing? |
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| You know, those "evil" skin shop chains that are always filled with Koreans who enjoy the products. How dare they be so darn popular. It's time for the Korean government to put a stop to all of them. No more bbcream! No more hairspray! No more skin packs! |
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Where do you live that access to a skin care shop is a problem? That you support bulldozing the rare foreign restaurants in HBC and in Itaewon to get access to even more skin shops? |
I live in Seoul and I agree there are a lot of skin shops. But if you're against opening up new skin shops yet for opening up more Starbucks, McD's, Paris Baguette, Lotterias, then that doesn't seem fair. You live in Seoul, right? Is access to any of these places a problem for you?
I just wish companies in Korea had the policy that some companies in the US have. Where if you want to open up a Subway/McD's/etc franchise it can't be within X amount of miles of another location. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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All of the skin shops are necessary to stay on top.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/lifestyle/2013/05/south-korean-men-cosmetics-crazed/
"Walk into most any cosmetics store in Seoul, and you’re bound to find a men’s section selling everything from escargot serum to make-up for men serving their mandatory two-year military service."
"Earlier this year, Korean Air’s new staff training session featured makeup and skin care lessons for male staff. Makeup professionals were brought in, so the airline’s newest recruits could undergo a three-hour “image making” class, featuring lessons on how best to apply skin care products, sunscreen and BB cream." |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| To you, anyone with even the smallest hint of criticism of Korea is a racist and "basher". |
No, but posters who habitually complain and join the chorus of bashing do get noticed.
And at the end of the day, one side is arguing that anyone and everyone should be able to come in and enjoy Itaewon, dine at its restaurants, and purchase goods from its merchants, and establish businesses.The other side is incredibly wary and unenthusiastic about a specific ethnic group doing those things, in that ethnic groups own country. Doesn't that at least hit at some sort of racial issue?
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Steelrails, you are claiming that businesses do not exist to serve customers, right? That they only exist to serve themselves?
You were taught that in college? Every college in the world teaches even ECON 101 students about supply chains and the value of customers to every business. That's every single business that exists is there to serve its customers. No business survives without serving the needs of customers. It's not an option; it's a requirement. Business 101. |
So a person sells drugs to make his people happy? He doesn't do it to enlarge his own pocket and power? In a roundabout way that's what most shops on the street are selling- a bunch of good feelings from the chemicals in your brain. Look at shopaholics- they don't even care what they buy, just the act of buying is a thrill. Then you've got the food addicts, alcoholics, skirt chasers, status seekers, and so on.
I'm just saying that some romantic notion about a "duty to the customer" and the nobleness of the customer and some sort of honorable relationship between them is a crock of crap.
Saying that businesses exist to serve their customers makes about as much sense as saying politicians exist to serve the people. And we all know what a crock of crap that is.
Now, my college classes all told me that politicians exist to serve me. It didn't take much to realize that was all malarkey. And I don't think the business interests out there exist to serve me either, despite what my textbooks may say. However you are free to believe otherwise. Sorry, I guess my fake degree let me down on that one. Guess I should have gotten a real one so I could learn about how politicians and businesses exist to serve me, the customer and the citizen. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:08 am Post subject: |
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I think this stance forces you to forfeit your argument against the non-smoking tide sweeping across Korea. Just buck up and deal with it buster, you don't have a right to complain about non-smokers encroaching on your notions of how a bar should be.
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There's a difference between enacting legislation that dictates what people do in private establishments and customers freely patronizing restaurants or purchasing stores and setting up other businesses.
There's an issue of rights of the business owner when it comes to the smoking issue. You have ZERO right to authentic foreign food in your neighborhood. |
My point wasn't about creating a perfect analogy between two disparate scenarios. It was to point out the hypocrisy of you feeling obliged to complain about how smoking is being restricted, but imply that people are wrong to complain about how they view businesses in Itaewon changing for the worse.
Now not everyone is voicing a simple complaint, and there are some grey areas where ethnic judgments are being passed. But it goes back to the other point in my post, that you have a habit of lumping posters on this board together as having one collective opinion.
But as usual, you won't engage with the bulk of my statement, all of which was directed at you. Rather, you prefer to nitpick over some irrelevant and minor point.
You have been stating on this thread how other posters have no right to complain about what decisions businesses here make based on changing customer demographics. I state that you should take your own advice and refrain from complaining about the push to ban smoking.
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Nitpick over how one is being enforced through legislation and tell me that I do not have rights to things.
I mean hell, for someone who tries to come across as so easy-going, I don't understand why you have to be so heavy-handed when posting on here. |
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