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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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...and I've posed the same questions over and over and titus or no one can give me an answer to my questions of why black teachers in korea are not committing crimes while there have been centuries of high crime in poor white areas of London and other poor white areas of Manchester, Liverpool, etc.
My question to you is why aren't you asking titus for the same answers to my question? or at least giving me an answer.
Still standing by every thing I wrote. I asked some questions. Answer those. You and everyone knows what he is and what he is insinuating. I'm more likely statistically (I assume) to be safer in a middle class asian neighborhood than my all white middle class neighborhood. Is it even worth mentioning? I'm safe either way. If for the sake or argument a black middle class neighborhood is statistically not as safe, its still a SAFE neighborhood by any standard.
Titus same person who thinks races have different ancestors. Its bullyshyt. By that I mean his stat isn't worth mentioning because of its insignificance.
You may think its easy for him that's your opinion. |
It seems as though you totally missed Leon's point. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
...and I've posed the same questions over and over and titus or no one can give me an answer to my questions of why black teachers in korea are not committing crimes while there have been centuries of high crime in poor white areas of London and other poor white areas of Manchester, Liverpool, etc.
My question to you is why aren't you asking titus for the same answers to my question? or at least giving me an answer.
Still standing by every thing I wrote. I asked some questions. Answer those. You and everyone knows what he is and what he is insinuating. I'm more likely statistically (I assume) to be safer in a middle class asian neighborhood than my all white middle class neighborhood. Is it even worth mentioning? I'm safe either way. If for the sake or argument a black middle class neighborhood is statistically not as safe, its still a SAFE neighborhood by any standard.
Titus same person who thinks races have different ancestors. Its bullyshyt. By that I mean his stat isn't worth mentioning because of its insignificance.
You may think its easy for him that's your opinion. |
I've broken your questions down:
1) why black teachers in korea are not committing crimes
To obtain an E2 one must have an undergrad degree. The people who are able to complete an undergrad degree and not representative of the whole. The people who complete a degree, regardless of race, are likely on the right-side of the distribution.
2) while there have been centuries of high crime in poor white areas of London and other poor white areas of Manchester, Liverpool, etc.
Every ethnicity has variation. That's the reason I referenced the normal distribution. Within any population sample, however you want to define the sample, there will be tail ends of heritable traits. Simply, there will be normal and outlying behavior. Different groups will have different types of outliers and as such different types of extreme success and dysfunction.
That is not to say that materialist factors have zero impact. Different traits have different heritability. The extent to which a group is able to manage the environment to maximize materialist factors depends on innate ability, so round and round we go.
For example, males and females are generally the same in normal IQ (females are slightly higher). However the stdev for males is larger (meaning there are both more highly intelligent and low functioning men than women). Aggression, consciousnesses etc all function similar. This is why homelessness and Nobel Prizes are concentrated among men and women are generally unremarkable intellectually but also not really prone to dysfunction.
3) Titus same person who thinks races have different ancestors. Its bullyshyt.
Caucasians and East Asians (or the common ancestor of) mated with Neanderthals. The European ancestry is, to be very simplistic, African + Neanderthal. There is a weakness in my argument but I don't expect you to spot it.
There is evidence that our (meaning white and Asian) higher ability for abstract thought is a consequence of the Neanderthal DNA admixture.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7194/full/453562a.html
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| "That human mathematical intelligence came from Neanderthals? That's what the data say. The Cro-Magnons had the social skills. But that isn't all." |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your answer, I think I understand your position. |
I wasn't going to go back to this conversation, but I just found this quote in a book I'm reading and thought it capsulated what I was trying to say earlier.
"It is hard to think of any nation-state, with the possible exception of Norway, that came into existence before the middle of the twentieth century which was not created, and had its boundaries defined, by wars, by internal violence, or by a combination of the two. These wars, in many cases, had been fought not between peoples but between princes asserting claims to what they regarded as their personal property."
-Michael Howard
History is repeating itself, instead we now call them warlords instead of princes, but then again a Prince is a lord- so not even that has changed. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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These variances you speak of titus are inconsequential. They don't even bear mentioning. I've been stating that crime is a function of economics and I've provided the proof. The white areas of England that have had a high crime rate for centuries in some areas are poor. The blacks that are in Korea are not. The blacks that commit the crimes in the urban areas are poor.
I've repeated this over and over and frankly you don't want to admit it. Just about every one in state prisons, black, white, asian, latino come from poor or working poor, under educated and often from single parent homes or homes where they were abused.
THAT is the reason for crime.
You can dance around this with stats but its a truism in EVERY country in history.
Race is insignificant to the degree you are making it. Again, if I moved to an Asian neighborhood from a white neighborhood statistically I be less likely to experience crime but its not significant enough to to the point where one would say Asians are more law-abiding than whites. Statistically it may bear it but so what? I'm safe either way. I'm safe in a black, white or asian middle class neighborhood if they were all located in the burbs. Middle class values are middle class values, they are pretty much universal.
Overall, your distribution stats don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Poor commit crimes and non poor don't by a wide margin no matter the race. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| These variances you speak of titus are inconsequential. |
The above is painfully idiotic. The ability to learn is quite consequential, as are aggression, conscientiousness and so on.
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| THAT is the reason for crime. |
Using incarceration rates as a proxy for criminality, why are more men in prison?
http://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/how-does-gender-relate-poverty-status
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44% of people in poverty were males; males accounted for 49% of the total population
56% of people in poverty were females; females accounted for 51% of the total population |
...if it is only poverty? Is there not genetic variance consequential here? Is it sexism? A gigantic conspiracy against men by the matriarchy?
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/genderinc.html
I know, you don't really have interest in the topic though are emotionally/religiously required to have an immutable position.
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| Asians are more law-abiding than whites. |
A factual statement.
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| I'm safe either way. |
You're more safe in an Asian area and less safe in a black area and I am 100% confident you behave as such. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| This isn't the proper thread for an extended discussion. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Crime is NOT a function of race. Never has been. If it were middle and upper class blacks would have very similar crime rates to poor blacks and they don't. |
If your thesis were true, whites and blacks of the same social class would have the same crime rates, but they don't, not even close. This has been demonstrated to you before in a previous thread, where I showed that black areas of Boston had far higher crimes rates than working-class Irish South Boston, but you're still sticking with the narrative that poverty, and poverty alone, explains crime. |
Popped back onto Dave's and became re-acquainted with this thread, and here's an ANECDOTE ALERT!! In addition to many other neighborhoods around the city, I used to live in Southie in Andrew Square right next to the T (next to wonderful establishments like Aces High, The Sports Connection, and the local VFW - cheapest cocktails around). While shit did go down, it was mostly just goofball antics/low-level stuff that ended up involving the cops (and driving up stats) but that really didn't amount to much. Yeah, there was gang activity and the attendant fallout, but overall...not nearly as bad as the rep would indicate.
You wanna get shot dead for nothing? Go to one of those other locales I previously mentioned. Mattapan Station also seems to be a hotbed of activity.
(and to be honest, there are nice parts of Dorchester, Roxbury, etc. It really almost depends on what street/block you happen to be on.) |
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