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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And they prove it by listing the home at which they reside. (The relative's house.) Plenty of parents claim their parent's house (the kid's grandparents) as the place the kid lives to get the kid into a better school district. The mail goes to the grandparent's house and the kid it driven to the better school each day.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
And they prove it by listing the home at which they reside. (The relative's house.) Plenty of parents claim their parent's house (the kid's grandparents) as the place the kid lives to get the kid into a better school district. The mail goes to the grandparent's house and the kid it driven to the better school each day.


Yes...and I just linked to a news story which says that is illegal. In the story there were two parents who separated. The mother claimed that the father's address was where the children lived because the school in his area was better. She ended up spending 10 days in jail and will be on probation for three years and must do 80 hours of community service. She also has a felony conviction.

Registering your children in a school district they don't live in can get you in a whole lot of hot water as the mom in the story found out.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
World Traveler wrote:
And they prove it by listing the home at which they reside. (The relative's house.) Plenty of parents claim their parent's house (the kid's grandparents) as the place the kid lives to get the kid into a better school district. The mail goes to the grandparent's house and the kid it driven to the better school each day.


Yes...and I just linked to a news story which says that is illegal. In the story there were two parents who separated. The mother claimed that the father's address was where the children lived because the school in his area was better. She ended up spending 10 days in jail and will be on probation for three years and must do 80 hours of community service. She also has a felony conviction.

Registering your children in a school district they don't live in can get you in a whole lot of hot water as the mom in the story found out.


Um, no offense, I do like America, but sometimes your country is really effed up. A felony convistion and time in jail? WTF?? Sounds pretty facist to me. That would never happen in Canada.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably what happened was her kids were disruptive and causng problems for others so the school wanted to get rid of them (send them back to the ghetto). I bet kids who are well behaved and don't draw (negative) attention to themselves don't have their real addresses checked thoroughly.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between 2005 and 2011, Copley-Fairlawn schools discovered 48 cases of school residency fraud; Williams-Bolar’s was the only case that ever ended up in court. “Every family except Ms. Williams-Bolar agreed to either pay the non-resident tuition rate, move into the district or remove their children from the school,” Summit County Prosecutor Sherri Bevan Walsh said in a statement to Colorlines.com.

“Ms. Williams-Bolar repeatedly refused to cooperate for many months, thus her case was turned over to my office for prosecution,” Walsh continued, underlining that falsifying information on government documents amounts to a felony offense. Walsh said she was compelled by the evidence. “Ms. Williams-Bolar refused the options presented to her that would have prevented felony charges.”

The Copley-Fairlawn School District insists that its hands were tied as well. In an interview with Colorlines, Superintendent Brian Poe said the district went to great lengths to resolve the issue without legal action, but was forced to hand over evidence to Walsh’s office.

Pinning down exactly who controlled the levers in Williams-Bolar’s case is difficult, as everyone seemed interested in making her a household name. After the presiding judge Patricia Cosgrove handed down her sentence, she said she hoped Williams-Bolar’s case would serve as an example to others. “I felt some punishment or deterrent was needed for other individuals who might think to defraud the various school districts,” Cosgrove told ABC.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Between 2005 and 2011, Copley-Fairlawn schools discovered 48 cases of school residency fraud; Williams-Bolar’s was the only case that ever ended up in court. “Every family except Ms. Williams-Bolar agreed to either pay the non-resident tuition rate, move into the district or remove their children from the school,” Summit County Prosecutor Sherri Bevan Walsh said in a statement to Colorlines.com.

“Ms. Williams-Bolar repeatedly refused to cooperate for many months, thus her case was turned over to my office for prosecution,” Walsh continued, underlining that falsifying information on government documents amounts to a felony offense. Walsh said she was compelled by the evidence. “Ms. Williams-Bolar refused the options presented to her that would have prevented felony charges.”

The Copley-Fairlawn School District insists that its hands were tied as well. In an interview with Colorlines, Superintendent Brian Poe said the district went to great lengths to resolve the issue without legal action, but was forced to hand over evidence to Walsh’s office.

Pinning down exactly who controlled the levers in Williams-Bolar’s case is difficult, as everyone seemed interested in making her a household name. After the presiding judge Patricia Cosgrove handed down her sentence, she said she hoped Williams-Bolar’s case would serve as an example to others. “I felt some punishment or deterrent was needed for other individuals who might think to defraud the various school districts,” Cosgrove told ABC.


Ah ok, I didn't realize what went on behind the scenes then. Fair enough. I hadn't really understood the concepts of this county or that county for schools much before. Every school in my province was considered equal. ( A province in Canada is like a state in the US.)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little bit more background about the case:

After being caught falsifying records by the school, the mother refused to withdraw her children from the school. She claimed that since they had already been enrolled there for two years, they should be grandfathered in. When the school refused, she cried racism. (What an idiot.) The school was trying to get rid of the thorn in their side for a long time and also wanted to avoid a legal battle. With a bit more detective work, they found out she lied about her income to get the free lunch program for her kids. How did the school know she was lying? She was an employee of the school district so they had proof. The moral of the story: if you are caught stealing, hang your head in shame, and leave quickly and quietly, hoping no one (else) finds out. Don't make a scene.

This woman is no modern day Rosa Parks. Her father was recently jailed for "improperly collecting more than $100,000 in Social Security and state welfare benefits over a six-year period beginning in 2003." Stealing from the government is not OK. She should know that. Well, she should, but maybe her parents didn't teach her that. And by the way, if the punishment for people who lie about their address to get their kids into another district is nothing- just they have to leave the school (or move into the district) if they get caught, then where is the disincentive? Maybe (possible) public (or more likely private) shame, but that's about it.
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Ms. Williams Bolar had no prior felony record. However, at no time did she express remorse or accept responsibility for her actions. Nor did she agree to make any restitution for her crimes (a payment plan was offered numerous times). In fact, her behavior was the exact opposite. She knowingly and repeatedly violated the law. She ignored all requests and attempts to resolve her crime with the school system unlike the other families who were similarly situated and chose to do the right thing. A prosecutor cannot, in good conscience and in fairness to all law abiding citizens offer a “plea bargain” to a person who has no regard for the law.
Ms. Williams-Bolar refused to accept responsibility and continues to deny she has done anything wrong even after being found guilty by a jury of her peers. She has publicly stated that if she had the opportunity to do it all over, she would do the same thing again.

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race had nothing to do with it. 28 other African-American families were caught by the school district fraudulently claiming residency within the district without cause and without paying the $800/month tuition charged for out-of-district students. Fifteen caucasian families had been pursued by the district for the same thing. Neither were charged because they either agreed to pay tuition or withdraw their kids.
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Part of her felony tampering with records charges was that she failed to report her income as a teacher’s aide in the Akron City School District in order to obtain “free” (federally funded) school meals for her children.
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Gov. John Kasich, after a torrent of international support for the mother, granted her request for a pardon over the objection of Summit County prosecutors.
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TheUrbanMyth wrote:
She also has a felony conviction.

Not true. She was pardoned.
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"No one should interpret this as a pass—it’s a second chance,” Kasich said in a written statement.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:

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TheUrbanMyth wrote:
She also has a felony conviction.

Not true. She was pardoned.
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"No one should interpret this as a pass—it’s a second chance,” Kasich said in a written statement.


In the article I linked to it says quite clearly.


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Her felony conviction will bar her from being licensed to teach in Ohio.


So it was quite true at the time the article came out...the fact that she may have been pardoned later (link?) does not negate that.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, you mean the 2011 article? Check out google for something more recent.

"It was told to Ms. Bolar that she wouldn’t be able to teach again (which she’s currently doing) and she’s making a film!"
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1068265

Here's the link you requested:

"Gov. John Kasich, after a torrent of international support for the mother, granted her request for a pardon over the objection of Summit County prosecutors."
http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/kelley-williams-bolar-s-father-dies-in-prison-hospital-1.306405

About her father:

"Summit County court records do show that Williams and local authorities have been butting heads for at least 15 years."

"The pretrial brief by Rudgers went on to say that Williams claimed he did not owe real estate taxes on his property because he had a tax exemption.
Williams explained his position in his statement to the Beacon Journal, saying he had obtained federal tax-exempt status for his home as a nonprofit corporation."

"He was later tried on an unrelated fraud case and was sentenced in June to one year for grand theft and tampering with records.
The charges stemmed from his improperly collecting more than $100,000 in Social Security and state welfare benefits over a six-year period beginning in 2003."

"Williams filed so many bogus discrimination lawsuits in U.S. District Court in Cleveland that he was banned from filing any more."

Williams-Bolar cranks up lie machine
http://www.ohio.com/news/bob-dyer-williams-bolar-cranks-up-lie-machine-1.452624

"she decided to falsify every document she came in contact with, lying about her residency, her income, her child support, her military service, her insurance coverage, her eligibility for home-heating assistance and subsidized lunches and her progress toward a college degree."
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Oh, you mean the 2011 article? Check out google for something more recent.

"It was told to Ms. Bolar that she wouldn’t be able to teach again (which she’s currently doing) and she’s making a film!"
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1068265

Here's the link you requested:

"Gov. John Kasich, after a torrent of international support for the mother, granted her request for a pardon over the objection of Summit County prosecutors."
http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/kelley-williams-bolar-s-father-dies-in-prison-hospital-1.306405

About her father:

"He was later tried on an unrelated fraud case and was sentenced in June to one year for grand theft and tampering with records.
The charges stemmed from his improperly collecting more than $100,000 in Social Security and state welfare benefits over a six-year period beginning in 2003."

"Williams filed so many bogus discrimination lawsuits in U.S. District Court in Cleveland that he was banned from filing any more."

Williams-Bolar cranks up lie machine
http://www.ohio.com/news/bob-dyer-williams-bolar-cranks-up-lie-machine-1.452624




Thanks for the link. However you are wrong about the felony conviction. She was pardoned but that is different from having it expunged.


From Wiki

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A very real distinction exists between an expungement and a pardon. When an expungement is granted, the person whose record is expunged may, for most purposes, treat the event as if it never occurred. A pardon (also called "executive clemency") does not "erase" the event; rather, it constitutes forgiveness.


(bolding mine).

http://www.ehow.com/about_5417324_long-felony-charge-stay-record.html

Quote:
Pardons do not remove a conviction, either, because they are treated legally as a gesture of forgiveness for offenses that still remain on public record.



http://www.legallyspeakingohio.com/2013/04/whats-on-their-minds-does-a-pardon-by-the-governor-guarantee-sealing-the-record-of-conviction-state-of-ohio-and-city-of-akron-v-montoya-l-boykin/

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A gubernatorial pardon does not require the automatic sealing of the record by the trial court. A pardon forgives, but does not forget. It is a remission of the penalty, but not of historical fact of the crime.


(bolding mine)



So she still has the conviction on her record...she just has the punishment (the probation and community service) removed.

(I posted three links because the Wiki source needed additional citation)


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not true. She no longer has a felony conviction. (If she did, she would not be teaching now.)
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Kasich’s order, AP reports, was a rare departure from a recommendation of the Ohio Parole Board, which said unanimously last week that Kasich should leave Williams-Bolar’s conviction in place. She is “a wholly undeserving candidate for any type of clemency,” the parole board concluded.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's not teaching.


Making a film about your life story is not teaching. Give it a rest. Just admit that you were wrong.

She was told that she could not teach which meant getting a JOB as a teacher in a public school.

Besides which the law disagrees with you. She still has the conviction on her record. A pardon remits the punishment but not the record. You don't understand the difference between a pardon and expungement.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this December 2013 article says she's teaching:

"It was told to Ms. Bolar that she wouldn’t be able to teach again (which she’s currently doing) and she’s making a film!"
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1068265
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TUM, she does not currently have a felony conviction on her record.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Well, this December 2013 article says she's teaching:

"It was told to Ms. Bolar that she wouldn’t be able to teach again (which she’s currently doing) and she’s making a film!"
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1068265



It says nothing of the kind

Where does it say she is teaching in a school?

And does making ONE film=teaching in a school?
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