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GENO123
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From my understanding, salaries in Korea have been going up while salaries in the Middle East have been rather stagnant. When you made 10-20,000 U.S. in Korea, the 40-50,000 U.S. in the Middle East seemed good money. Now, I think salaries are pretty comparatable. Alcohol and female company maybe harder to find in the Middle East though.
One advantage to the Middle East is some schools will pay for your children's education.
I have a friend who works in Tokyo and he says if you hustle well there is no better place to make a living.
Of course connections and special high paying students can change the economic scale in any location.
Overall, I would say Korea is probably the best deal in ESL. Please don't tell anyone. |
Salaries in Middle East have been going up while salaries in Korea have been rather stagnant (and have been for more than ten years) . POST CORRECTED.
Teaching in Korea is broken.
Just go to the job boards and do the comparison and you'll find there isn't any. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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From my understanding, salaries in Korea have been going up while salaries in the Middle East have been rather stagnant. When you made 10-20,000 U.S. in Korea, the 40-50,000 U.S. in the Middle East seemed good money. Now, I think salaries are pretty comparatable. Alcohol and female company maybe harder to find in the Middle East though.
One advantage to the Middle East is some schools will pay for your children's education.
I have a friend who works in Tokyo and he says if you hustle well there is no better place to make a living.
Of course connections and special high paying students can change the economic scale in any location.
Overall, I would say Korea is probably the best deal in ESL. Please don't tell anyone. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=59493
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=197658&start=1980
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This Agreement is made between ___________________, herein referred toas "Employee," and _____________ , herein referred to as "Employer,” whose principle place of business is located at Daechi-Dong, Gangnam-Gu, Seoul, South Korea.
Position: English Conversation Teacher (or Instructor)
Period of Employment: One year
(Upon mutual agreement may be extended to 2 years)
From: _February 28_, 2014 to February 28_, 2015
I. In consideration of the mutual promises and agreement herein contained, ___________
(hereafter referred to as the “Employer”) employs ________________ (hereafter referred to as the “Employee”). The Employee agrees to work for the Employer under the following terms hereby agreed to by both parties.
II. The services to be performed, by the Employee will be that of a curriculum developer and trainer and occasionally the _______branch schools’ supporter.
III. The Employee will commence his/her employment on February 28, 2014. The employment will continue to February 28, 2015 unless terminated sooner as provided herein, and for such further period as provided for herein, subject to the following conditions.
A. If as a result of wilful and wanton negligence, gross negligence or intoxication, the Employee damages facilities, materials or other property belonging to the Employer; or causes damage to the institute and/or the image of the Employer, the Employee will assume pecuniary liability in accordance with Korean Law. Furthermore, if the Employee violates any of the covenants of this agreement, the Employer has the right to terminate this agreement at the time of the violation without further compensation or responsibility to the Employee.
B. If the Employee seeks release from this contract, he/she must do so in writing at least ninety (90) days prior to the date of termination. Extenuating circumstances, which might require termination of employment without prior notice, will be handled on a case-by-case basis.
C. In the event of the death or total incapacity for business of either party hereto, or upon the Employer ceasing to carry on said business, or becoming bankrupt, this contract will terminate. In case of the sickness of the Employee or other reasons causing him/her from attending to his/her duties for 10 consecutive workdays (without valid proof), the Employer may terminate this agreement.
D. The Employer may terminate this agreement at any time because of the Employer's dissatisfaction over, violation of instructions or rules of the Institute, or failure of Employee to comply with any one of the conditions contained herein.
So you have to give 90 days but they can terminate you at "any time"? Hugely unbalanced.
IV. The Employer agrees:
A. Compensation will be paid in the amount of _____2.1__________won monthly by the Employer. It will be due and payable on the 10thfor the previous calendar month. Any errors in compensation must be reported by written notice within one week of receipt of compensation. The employee will be subject to Korean Income Tax.
B. The teaching hours will be maximum 30 hours per week. Classes will be scheduled within the following working hours.
l Working hours: Mon. through Fri. between 9:30am to 6:30 pm.
Pretty long working hours (9 hour shift.)
C. The duration of a class is 40 minutes with kindergarten and 50 minutes with elementary. There is a 10-minute break between each class. Lunch break runs from 11:50pm to 12:50pm. Teachers are not paid for this time.
D. The employee will pay his or her Income Tax, and half of their medical insurance and pension.
E. Overtime rate is 18,000won an hour however, will be subject to Korean taxes. Overtime only applies to teaching more than 30 hours per week.
If you do the math you will see that OT pay is only about 500 won per hour more than your regular pay. And keep in mind that classes are not the same as hours ...so you could easily teach more than 30 classes a week and still not get OT.
F. The Employer doesn’t provide the Employee with return air transportation.
This would be a deal breaker for me. And the recruiter is feeding you a line of B.S.
G. Upon the successful completion of a one-year contract, the Employee will receive severance pay. Severance pay will be equal to an average of the last three months’ salary. (However, Korean taxes will be deducted)
H. After 30 to 45 days in Korea, the Employer agrees to provide the Employee with medical insurance. This delay is caused by the processing time involved in obtaining Korean medical insurance. The Employee will be responsible for the cost of his or her own medical treatment until insurance is issued. The employer is required to subscribe to the Medical Insurance/Pension plan. Medical Insurance/
Pension is split 50/50 by the employee and employer. Dental and eye care coverage is not included. Furthermore, life insurance coverage is not included.
Taxes will be deducted from the employee’s income in accordance to Korea law.
Monthly pay is taxed, and the taxes will be deducted as income tax and residence tax on a Monthly basis.
I. The Employer agrees to provide three sick-leave days to Employees each year.
On the first three days on which an Employee misses work he or she will be paid in full for that day, with the following conditions. The Employee must notify his or her supervisor either the night before the absence, or as early as possible on day of the following month, the morning of the absence. The Employee must also present a doctor's note to his or her supervisor on the day on which he or she returns to work. Unused sick days may not be used as vacation days. Should the Employee be absent for ten consecutive days without a valid reason, his or her contract may be terminated.
J. Employees, on occasion, request an emergency leave in order to attend to urgent matters in their home country. Since there are no substitute teachers available, the extended absence of Employees creates a serious problem for this institute.
Additionally, when requests for leaves coincide with holidays observed by the Employer, such as Christmas, the potential for abuse, in order to extend existing vacation days, compounds the seriousness of the situation. Therefore, any Employee requesting a leave of absence during his or her contract will be subject to a 30 percent deduction from his/her severance pay. Should a leave request coincide with a holiday on which INSERT SCHOOL NAME HERE does not hold classes, the percentage of this deduction will be raised to 50 percent.
Illegal deduction.
K. The Employer will provide housing for all Employees. (See attached housing contract) If, at the time the Employee is hired by the Employer, all company apartments are occupied the Employee may either ask the Employer to provide an apartment or the Employee may arrange his or her own housing. Employees who choose to provide their own accommodations will be given a 400,000 won monthly housing allowance. If, at the time the Employee is hired by the Employer, company housing is available, the Employee is required to live in the company’s apartment. Employees living in housing provided by the Employer will be required to leave a 400,000 won deposit with the Employer to cover any damage to the apartment or unpaid bills left by the Employee when the apartment is vacated.
L. If Employees wish to take advantage of the housing provided by the Employer, thehousing contract must be signed before arrival in Korea. Employees who initially choose to provide their own housing and later elect to take advantage of company housing will be accommodated only as housing becomes available.
M. Whenever possible, Employees be provided with an orientation period. This is generally the Employee’s first working day, on which the Employee meets with experienced Employees, observes classes and becomes familiar with School teaching techniques and activities.
N. Vacation:
l Summer Vacation : Last week of July (including weekend)
l Winter Vacation : Last week of December (including weekend)
l Make up class : Summer – 1or 2 Saturday / Winter – 1or 2 Saturday (class time will be half of a day – morning or afternoon)
V. The Employee agrees:
A. To teach any group assigned by the Employer and to participate in special activities (such as summer & winter camps or field trips and/or an overnight party) as required by the Employer.
B. To prepare for his/her classes on his/her own time. Class preparation should include researching, producing teaching materials, on time submission of lesson plans, tracking reports, progress reports and making a newspaper (once a year).
Tracking reports? Progress reports? Making a newspaper? AKA known as pointless busy work.
Failure to submit these items on 3 occasions will be subject to a 30 percent deduction from the Employee's severance pay. Three late submissions of any of these items will count as 1 non-submission.
C. To, at all times, follow the rules and regulations set by the Employer and the Institute director. To follow class schedules and activity schedules, to not dismiss classes, cancel classes or begin classes late without the express consent of senior management. To submit all progress reports, tracking reports, lesson plans, or other requested work on time. Employees, who routinely fail to observe the rules of the institute, will be verbally notified by the supervisor, continued non-compliance will result in a warning letter. Three warning letters in the period of one year will result in suspension without pay, a reduction of teaching hours or termination.
D. To have the accompanying statement of general physical health completed by a physician certifying that the Employee is free of contagious diseases and may safely participate in activities such as leading outdoor games and exercises.
E. To use the teaching materials supplied and recommended by the Employer. The Employee is encouraged to supplement these materials with other materials, but must obtain prior approval from the Employer. All books, tools, craft supplies or other materials issued by the Employer remain the property of the Employer and any must be returned to Main School when no longer required to conduct class.
F. To perform his/her duties in a professional manner and refrain from conduct which could damage the reputation of the Institute, including, but not limited to: conducting class while smoking or under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs: making sexual advances towards or entering into sexual relationship with students or employees of the Institute; conducting any business or accepting any funds without the express written consent of the Institute; and borrowing or lending of funds or selling items to students.
G. To reimburse the full cost of plane ticket to the Employer, if the Employee terminates his/her contract within 6 months of commencing date of his/her contract.
H. To reimburse half of the cost of plane ticket to the Employer, if the Employee terminates his/her contract after 6 months but within 12 months of commencing date of his/her contract.
Since they aren't paying your return ticket they should eat the cost of the initial ticket after six months.
I. Private teaching outside of KID’S COLLEGE Dae-Chi Main School is prohibited without the written approval from the Employer. If the Employee desires additional employment, such interest must be expressed in writing to Employer. Upon receipt of such request, the Employer may, at its sole discretion, allow additional employment. Any and all exceptions to this provision must be made by written consent of the Employer.
J. Extremely short or revealing attire is prohibited. Employees are required to dress formally for special events such as Graduation or Entrance Ceremonies. Male
Employees will wear a dress shirt, tie and slacks. Female Employees will wear a dress, a skirt or slacks and an appropriate top.
K. If the Employee wishes to drive in Korea, an international driver's license is required. The Employee will take full responsibility for any cost of acquiring a vehicle, the maintenance of such vehicle, any insurance/fees of such vehicle, and will hold the Employer free from any harm and/or responsibility of and from such vehicle.
L. The Employee accepts liability for any damages that arise from the conduct of Employee.
M. The Employee will not at any time or in any manner, either directly of indirectly, divulge or disclose to any person, firm or corporation in any manner whatsoever any information concerning any matters affecting or relating to the business of the Employer, including without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any of its customers, the prices it obtains or has obtained from the sale of, or at which it sells or has sold, its products or services, or any other information concerning the business of the Employer, its manner of operation, its plans, processes, or other data without regard to whether all of the foregoing matters will be deemed confidential, material, or important, the parties hereto stipulating that as between them, the same are important, material, and confidential and gravely affect the effective and successful conduct of the business of the Employer, and the
Employer's good will and that any breach of the terms of this paragraph will be a material breach of this Agreement.
VI. It is further agreed between the parties that:
A. The services to be rendered by the Institute are of a unique and original character entitling the Institute to acknowledgement of this contract by injunction or other relief in a court of equity.
B. No waiver or modification of this Agreement or of any covenant, condition, or limitation herein contained will be valid unless in writing and duly executed by the party to be charged therewith and no evidence of any proceeding, arbitration, or litigation between the parties hereto arising out of or affecting this
Agreement, or the rights or obligations of the parties hereunder, unless such waiver or modification is in writing, duly executed as aforesaid, and the parties further agree that the provisions of this Section may not be waived except as herein set forth.
C. Both parties have read the above conditions and agree to the terms contained herein in good faith.
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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If you charge 50,000KRW/hour for each lesson, then to make
USD100,000/year (100,000,000KRW) you would need to teach
42 hours/week or 8 hours per day. If there is 15min. between
each class that would be 8 hours plus 7X15min or close to 2 hours
between classes. So, in total that would be 10 hours/day. That is
IF you can swing the schedule.
That being said, you would die in a very short time.
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Oh my god this. Privates drop too and there is no way you will get them to stack up neatly in one block. 10 hours of teaching is also NOT the same thing as 10 hours working in a company. You would go crazy. I did it for 1 year and went nuts.
As previously mentioned, the only place in the world that gives comparable pay (with reasonable sustainable hours) to a tenured PS teacher at the top of the pay scale (which only takes ten years to reach) in Canada is the middle East. Defense contractors and some unis in the emirates will pay along the lines of 50-70k tax free. A friends of mine who is an ontario PS teacher is 34 and will hit his max next year. With his M'ed he will pull over 90k. After taxes and pension deductions he still takes home almost 60k. So i don't know who is really better off. I would say he is because he doesn't have to live in freaking Saudi Arabia!
I had an offer from Raytheon after I finished my MA. It was not bad. If I remember holidays were generous at 6 plus weeks, I was only responsible for utilities, flight was paid and the salary was around 17000 SAR (around $4500 CAD) at the time for 20 contact hours a week. However I didn't want to be holed up in Dhahran and through contacts I learned the students are awful and nothing is really learned at the end of the day as students are just pushed through the motions. Sounded a lot like Korean uni mandatory efl classes or hagwons.
Simply put, there's money to be made but the industry in general is a joke with a huge lack of professionalism even among "qualified" people which eventually pushed me away As long as that doesn't bother you or you can live in a state of denial and think that your MA TESOL from xyz state university is actually making a difference. My 200 won. |
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World Traveler
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=59493
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=197658&start=1980
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This Agreement is made between ___________________, herein referred toas "Employee," and _____________ , herein referred to as "Employer,” whose principle place of business is located at Daechi-Dong, Gangnam-Gu, Seoul, South Korea.
Position: English Conversation Teacher (or Instructor)
Period of Employment: One year
(Upon mutual agreement may be extended to 2 years)
From: _February 28_, 2014 to February 28_, 2015
I. In consideration of the mutual promises and agreement herein contained, ___________
(hereafter referred to as the “Employer”) employs ________________ (hereafter referred to as the “Employee”). The Employee agrees to work for the Employer under the following terms hereby agreed to by both parties.
II. The services to be performed, by the Employee will be that of a curriculum developer and trainer and occasionally the _______branch schools’ supporter.
III. The Employee will commence his/her employment on February 28, 2014. The employment will continue to February 28, 2015 unless terminated sooner as provided herein, and for such further period as provided for herein, subject to the following conditions.
A. If as a result of wilful and wanton negligence, gross negligence or intoxication, the Employee damages facilities, materials or other property belonging to the Employer; or causes damage to the institute and/or the image of the Employer, the Employee will assume pecuniary liability in accordance with Korean Law. Furthermore, if the Employee violates any of the covenants of this agreement, the Employer has the right to terminate this agreement at the time of the violation without further compensation or responsibility to the Employee.
B. If the Employee seeks release from this contract, he/she must do so in writing at least ninety (90) days prior to the date of termination. Extenuating circumstances, which might require termination of employment without prior notice, will be handled on a case-by-case basis.
C. In the event of the death or total incapacity for business of either party hereto, or upon the Employer ceasing to carry on said business, or becoming bankrupt, this contract will terminate. In case of the sickness of the Employee or other reasons causing him/her from attending to his/her duties for 10 consecutive workdays (without valid proof), the Employer may terminate this agreement.
D. The Employer may terminate this agreement at any time because of the Employer's dissatisfaction over, violation of instructions or rules of the Institute, or failure of Employee to comply with any one of the conditions contained herein.
So you have to give 90 days but they can terminate you at "any time"? Hugely unbalanced.
IV. The Employer agrees:
A. Compensation will be paid in the amount of _____2.1__________won monthly by the Employer. It will be due and payable on the 10thfor the previous calendar month. Any errors in compensation must be reported by written notice within one week of receipt of compensation. The employee will be subject to Korean Income Tax.
B. The teaching hours will be maximum 30 hours per week. Classes will be scheduled within the following working hours.
l Working hours: Mon. through Fri. between 9:30am to 6:30 pm.
Pretty long working hours (9 hour shift.)
C. The duration of a class is 40 minutes with kindergarten and 50 minutes with elementary. There is a 10-minute break between each class. Lunch break runs from 11:50pm to 12:50pm. Teachers are not paid for this time.
D. The employee will pay his or her Income Tax, and half of their medical insurance and pension.
E. Overtime rate is 18,000won an hour however, will be subject to Korean taxes. Overtime only applies to teaching more than 30 hours per week.
If you do the math you will see that OT pay is only about 500 won per hour more than your regular pay. And keep in mind that classes are not the same as hours ...so you could easily teach more than 30 classes a week and still not get OT.
F. The Employer doesn’t provide the Employee with return air transportation.
This would be a deal breaker for me. And the recruiter is feeding you a line of B.S.
G. Upon the successful completion of a one-year contract, the Employee will receive severance pay. Severance pay will be equal to an average of the last three months’ salary. (However, Korean taxes will be deducted)
H. After 30 to 45 days in Korea, the Employer agrees to provide the Employee with medical insurance. This delay is caused by the processing time involved in obtaining Korean medical insurance. The Employee will be responsible for the cost of his or her own medical treatment until insurance is issued. The employer is required to subscribe to the Medical Insurance/Pension plan. Medical Insurance/
Pension is split 50/50 by the employee and employer. Dental and eye care coverage is not included. Furthermore, life insurance coverage is not included.
Taxes will be deducted from the employee’s income in accordance to Korea law.
Monthly pay is taxed, and the taxes will be deducted as income tax and residence tax on a Monthly basis.
I. The Employer agrees to provide three sick-leave days to Employees each year.
On the first three days on which an Employee misses work he or she will be paid in full for that day, with the following conditions. The Employee must notify his or her supervisor either the night before the absence, or as early as possible on day of the following month, the morning of the absence. The Employee must also present a doctor's note to his or her supervisor on the day on which he or she returns to work. Unused sick days may not be used as vacation days. Should the Employee be absent for ten consecutive days without a valid reason, his or her contract may be terminated.
J. Employees, on occasion, request an emergency leave in order to attend to urgent matters in their home country. Since there are no substitute teachers available, the extended absence of Employees creates a serious problem for this institute.
Additionally, when requests for leaves coincide with holidays observed by the Employer, such as Christmas, the potential for abuse, in order to extend existing vacation days, compounds the seriousness of the situation. Therefore, any Employee requesting a leave of absence during his or her contract will be subject to a 30 percent deduction from his/her severance pay. Should a leave request coincide with a holiday on which INSERT SCHOOL NAME HERE does not hold classes, the percentage of this deduction will be raised to 50 percent.
Illegal deduction.
K. The Employer will provide housing for all Employees. (See attached housing contract) If, at the time the Employee is hired by the Employer, all company apartments are occupied the Employee may either ask the Employer to provide an apartment or the Employee may arrange his or her own housing. Employees who choose to provide their own accommodations will be given a 400,000 won monthly housing allowance. If, at the time the Employee is hired by the Employer, company housing is available, the Employee is required to live in the company’s apartment. Employees living in housing provided by the Employer will be required to leave a 400,000 won deposit with the Employer to cover any damage to the apartment or unpaid bills left by the Employee when the apartment is vacated.
L. If Employees wish to take advantage of the housing provided by the Employer, thehousing contract must be signed before arrival in Korea. Employees who initially choose to provide their own housing and later elect to take advantage of company housing will be accommodated only as housing becomes available.
M. Whenever possible, Employees be provided with an orientation period. This is generally the Employee’s first working day, on which the Employee meets with experienced Employees, observes classes and becomes familiar with School teaching techniques and activities.
N. Vacation:
l Summer Vacation : Last week of July (including weekend)
l Winter Vacation : Last week of December (including weekend)
l Make up class : Summer – 1or 2 Saturday / Winter – 1or 2 Saturday (class time will be half of a day – morning or afternoon)
V. The Employee agrees:
A. To teach any group assigned by the Employer and to participate in special activities (such as summer & winter camps or field trips and/or an overnight party) as required by the Employer.
B. To prepare for his/her classes on his/her own time. Class preparation should include researching, producing teaching materials, on time submission of lesson plans, tracking reports, progress reports and making a newspaper (once a year).
Tracking reports? Progress reports? Making a newspaper? AKA known as pointless busy work.
Failure to submit these items on 3 occasions will be subject to a 30 percent deduction from the Employee's severance pay. Three late submissions of any of these items will count as 1 non-submission.
C. To, at all times, follow the rules and regulations set by the Employer and the Institute director. To follow class schedules and activity schedules, to not dismiss classes, cancel classes or begin classes late without the express consent of senior management. To submit all progress reports, tracking reports, lesson plans, or other requested work on time. Employees, who routinely fail to observe the rules of the institute, will be verbally notified by the supervisor, continued non-compliance will result in a warning letter. Three warning letters in the period of one year will result in suspension without pay, a reduction of teaching hours or termination.
D. To have the accompanying statement of general physical health completed by a physician certifying that the Employee is free of contagious diseases and may safely participate in activities such as leading outdoor games and exercises.
E. To use the teaching materials supplied and recommended by the Employer. The Employee is encouraged to supplement these materials with other materials, but must obtain prior approval from the Employer. All books, tools, craft supplies or other materials issued by the Employer remain the property of the Employer and any must be returned to Main School when no longer required to conduct class.
F. To perform his/her duties in a professional manner and refrain from conduct which could damage the reputation of the Institute, including, but not limited to: conducting class while smoking or under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs: making sexual advances towards or entering into sexual relationship with students or employees of the Institute; conducting any business or accepting any funds without the express written consent of the Institute; and borrowing or lending of funds or selling items to students.
G. To reimburse the full cost of plane ticket to the Employer, if the Employee terminates his/her contract within 6 months of commencing date of his/her contract.
H. To reimburse half of the cost of plane ticket to the Employer, if the Employee terminates his/her contract after 6 months but within 12 months of commencing date of his/her contract.
Since they aren't paying your return ticket they should eat the cost of the initial ticket after six months.
I. Private teaching outside of KID’S COLLEGE Dae-Chi Main School is prohibited without the written approval from the Employer. If the Employee desires additional employment, such interest must be expressed in writing to Employer. Upon receipt of such request, the Employer may, at its sole discretion, allow additional employment. Any and all exceptions to this provision must be made by written consent of the Employer.
J. Extremely short or revealing attire is prohibited. Employees are required to dress formally for special events such as Graduation or Entrance Ceremonies. Male
Employees will wear a dress shirt, tie and slacks. Female Employees will wear a dress, a skirt or slacks and an appropriate top.
K. If the Employee wishes to drive in Korea, an international driver's license is required. The Employee will take full responsibility for any cost of acquiring a vehicle, the maintenance of such vehicle, any insurance/fees of such vehicle, and will hold the Employer free from any harm and/or responsibility of and from such vehicle.
L. The Employee accepts liability for any damages that arise from the conduct of Employee.
M. The Employee will not at any time or in any manner, either directly of indirectly, divulge or disclose to any person, firm or corporation in any manner whatsoever any information concerning any matters affecting or relating to the business of the Employer, including without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any of its customers, the prices it obtains or has obtained from the sale of, or at which it sells or has sold, its products or services, or any other information concerning the business of the Employer, its manner of operation, its plans, processes, or other data without regard to whether all of the foregoing matters will be deemed confidential, material, or important, the parties hereto stipulating that as between them, the same are important, material, and confidential and gravely affect the effective and successful conduct of the business of the Employer, and the
Employer's good will and that any breach of the terms of this paragraph will be a material breach of this Agreement.
VI. It is further agreed between the parties that:
A. The services to be rendered by the Institute are of a unique and original character entitling the Institute to acknowledgement of this contract by injunction or other relief in a court of equity.
B. No waiver or modification of this Agreement or of any covenant, condition, or limitation herein contained will be valid unless in writing and duly executed by the party to be charged therewith and no evidence of any proceeding, arbitration, or litigation between the parties hereto arising out of or affecting this
Agreement, or the rights or obligations of the parties hereunder, unless such waiver or modification is in writing, duly executed as aforesaid, and the parties further agree that the provisions of this Section may not be waived except as herein set forth.
C. Both parties have read the above conditions and agree to the terms contained herein in good faith.
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It looks like it was written by Korean American lawyer. What a joke. Lots of rules to follow for a job that doesn't even pay $500 a week. They have no idea how foolish they look. |
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johnny_russian
Joined: 24 Dec 2012
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I think the information on this thread is just way off. Dave's has an international board and an international discussion forum. Take a look and see for yourself.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=104817&start=0
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Package on offer:
•Salary of $72,000 USD, €55,000 EURO, £44,000 Sterling, TAX FREE
•Rolling 12 month contacts ( last month of contract paid holiday)
•End of contract bonus
•Paid accommodation, to a high standard, inc. utility bills
•Paid return flights from country of origin to KSA
•Paid Medical Insurance
•Travel cost to and from work covered
•Superb holiday benefits
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http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=30260
So there you go. Korean salaries (2.1 - 2.6) get blown out of the water. |
yeah but look at the requirements for that Saudi Arabia job though - Master's degree plus a CELTA plus minimum 5 years teaching experience. considering those requirements, the salary for that job really should be blowing the salary for Korean ESL jobs out the water. |
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young_clinton
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Even though this is a five year old thread pulled up by World Traveler for some reason, I'll respond anyway. With no or little ESL experience, Korea is the best alternative in terms on pay. And by the way not everybody works in Korea just for the pay. South Korea is generally a nice place to be teaching, although for someone like the long ago original poster where kimchi might be an issue, maybe some place else would be better.
As far as Dubai and Kuwait (particularly Dubai), you have to have good qualifications and then be lucky to work there. Dubai, I know for a fact you have to be a licensed teacher before they will even look at you. You also have to have experience in the Middle East otherwise it's very unlikely.
Saudi Arabia, which is where I work, still probably pays the highest salaries, but you have to have at least 3 years experience with ESL to even get a very low rung job here. Also if by chance, If Koreans might not be up to somebody's standards you would want to think twice before coming to Saudi Arabia. Nobody but nobody comes here for any reason other than making money. Although you do have some Muslims who come here to be close to Makkah and Madinah and to be with their fellow Muslim brothers. Usually that unrealistic fantasy is very quickly dashed to pieces within a few months if not quicker. |
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GENO123
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yeah but look at the requirements for that Saudi Arabia job though - Master's degree plus a CELTA plus minimum 5 years teaching experience. considering those requirements, the salary for that job really should be blowing the salary for Korean ESL jobs out the water. |
At the same time and what has not been considered so far is what do university jobs in Korea pay? MAs , qualifications and experience, won't protect someone in Korea - anymore.
and I wan't just talking about Hogwons. The salaries at Korean universities also get blown out of the water.
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You need a university degree to get a work (teaching) visa. Most places won't care what you studied. Public schools may have their own requirements but generally they won't care what you studied either. |
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Although it might help if you are young, have blue eyes and blond hair, preferably attractive. This would especially pertain to EPIK/GEPIK. |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2923351&highlight=#2923351
and such is Korea . Like I said an MA and qualifications won't protect you anymore. |
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earthquakez
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Nothing would make me go to Saudi Arabia or Dubai or elsewhere around there. Do your homework on the ugly realities of the societies there and the depressing mundanity and backwardsness of every day life there.
If you find cruetly to animals in Korea distressing and the xenophobia and delusions of Korean society depressing, then the sordid realities of Saudi Arabai, Dubia, etc will send you into a tailspin. Uptight and sexually hypocritical Korea is better than the instutionalised weirdness and abuse of the Middle Eastern countries.
Personally I will never work in a country where foreigners are literally living in open, indentured slavery such as in Saudi Arabia, Dubai and around there. Human trafficking happens everywhere including enforced prostitution but the Middle Eastern countries openly and unapologetically abuse in every way the foriegn imported labour. Physical abuse of workers is common, sexual abuse happens and even murders of foreign workers which are not even investigated by the police.
The Middle East is infamous for making it illegal to leave your job, passports are confiscated, and there are foreign workers stuck in limbo as they cannot make a decent living but have no money to go back home and in some cases are not allowed. English teachers are privileged compared to other workers but read up on some of their experiences.
The former teacher in Korea who runs the blog Blackboy in Kimchiland went to Saudi Arabia. Just read about the incompetence of his school and the lazy students, as well as him getting arrested for taking a photo of a car.
You still have to pay tax on your so called 'tax free' income in Saudi Arabia etc. And yes some private language institutes employ native speakers with BAs to work as English teachers. But if you find Korea difficult, don't even think of setting foot in the Middle Eastern countries. |
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misher
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| The former teacher in Korea who runs the blog Blackboy in Kimchiland went to Saudi Arabia. Just read about the incompetence of his school and the lazy students, as well as him getting arrested for taking a photo of a car. |
For me tis is what turned me away. Incompetent and lazy students that are being passed anyway. Apparently the EAP programs at the universities are a complete joke. The teachers that do care eventually fall into line because they're being paid well. The efl/esl industry is just so rife with ineptitude, laziness and poor professional development. The few jobs in N. America that actually have standards pay like crap so there are no good options imo. |
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World Traveler
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| It's sad, man. What is causing the drop in wages? An over saturation of the market? People increasingly teaching themselves leading to less reliance on classes? Skype teachers from the Philippines willing to work for peanuts? All of the above? Other reasons? |
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Weigookin74
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| If you have an F2 visa in Korea you could make $50,000 to $100,000 a year doing privates!!! |
Now what am I doing wrong? I have a F2 visa (soon F5) and I would like to earn around $100k per year. Rather than just throw up some numbers in the air, I would like to see some hard proof as your quote is worth nothing without any substance.
I am an F2 holder I would like to think that my salary is competitive with qualifications, experience and professionalism that I conduct during classes.
However, all I can state, from personal experience, being a F2 Visa holder does have its advantages but people must judge a job with not just the salary but look at the whole package of benefits (mobile phone, housing, relocation allowance, pension, health insurance, health club membership, car, holiday entitlement, etc). So, if you are wanting to work yourself to the ground then you could earn a decent salary, albeit $100,000, but you are more likely to suffer. Every teacher needs a rest and every student also needs a rest. I would rather choose employment with good holiday entitlement than a high salary. Nonetheless, it is important to choose a salary package which fits your motivations. |
One of my F5 buddies does make about 5 million won a month. But, he really has to hustle to get paid with lessons all over the place and spread out over his day with gaps in between. He's always working to feed his wife and kids. He only gets some of this because he's been around for a long time. If he were starting out now, he might have a harder go of it as I've heard wages for privates have fallen due to too many foriegners being here and Koreans having less money than before due to the economic downturn. |
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robbie_davies
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| Saudi Arabia is a tough gig in my opinion. It also seems to attract loads of teachers who live the high (women, drugs and drink) life in Thailand and you can see them going cold turkey right in front of you and eventually freak out, running to the airport. You need to be in the right frame of mind to attempt to complete a contract, the money won't be enough to keep you here if you aren't. |
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Hatcher
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I spent some time in Korea and can say you can save more than in the Mid East. Dubai is a nice place but costly to live there as is Doha. Kuwait is a good place to save but it is a tough place to stay.
In the KSA, I know some ESL teachers who make 100,000$ a year and dont pay any taxes. But these guys are rare. At some unis in the KSA, you dont work much but dont get out of the country much.
Korea is different today than before but you can do well with the right quals. I know one guy in Korea who did 64 hours of a classes a week. A couple of years, he saved over 100K. Special case though. |
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