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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| I never posted Korea had "unlimited money to buy oil." |
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| Korea can buy as much oil as it wants |
Dude, you wiggle worse than reptiles.
You're like that jerk at a restaurant who asks for a kleenex, someone hands you a box of Puffs and you scream at them "I said KLEENEX".
Basically your strategy is that if I don't quote you verbatim, you will declare me a pathological liar. That's just childish. |
Let me spell it out for you, little rabbit.
Korea can buy as much oil as it wants because there is no shortage of oil. That doesn't mean it has unlimited money to buy oil; it merely means that the oil is available for purchase.
Wants does not connote financial means, which Korea may or may not have, but since Korea doesn't have the power plants to convert that oil, or coal or whatever energy source they wish to employ, into electricity, it doesn't really matter.
You, in your haste to prove me wrong (and there is no other reason for you to have even replied to my post since you agree Korea is not and will not in the foreseeable future become a superpower) have misread my statement and done so because you were intent only on proving me wrong, which you have again failed to do.
Oh, don't cry blind rabbit. Here's a Kleenex to dry those tears. I'd stick with Kleenex for your facial tissue needs since Costco sells them. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: |
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but since Korea doesn't have the power plants to convert that oil, or coal or whatever energy source they wish to employ, into electricity, it doesn't really matter.
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Right, but doesn't that mean that Korea can just build/buy more power plants like it does oil? S. Korea exports nuclear reactors. I don't think an oil power plant is beyond their capability.
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| Oh, don't cry blind rabbit. Here's a Kleenex to dry those tears. I'd stick with Kleenex for your facial tissue needs since Costco sells them. |
atwood, shut up. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:54 am Post subject: |
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but since Korea doesn't have the power plants to convert that oil, or coal or whatever energy source they wish to employ, into electricity, it doesn't really matter.
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Right, but doesn't that mean that Korea can just build/buy more power plants like it does oil? S. Korea exports nuclear reactors. I don't think an oil power plant is beyond their capability.
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| Oh, don't cry blind rabbit. Here's a Kleenex to dry those tears. I'd stick with Kleenex for your facial tissue needs since Costco sells them. |
atwood, shut up. |
br wrote:
Enuff said.
Now, br, STFU. Thank you and good night. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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but since Korea doesn't have the power plants to convert that oil, or coal or whatever energy source they wish to employ, into electricity, it doesn't really matter.
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Right, but doesn't that mean that Korea can just build/buy more power plants like it does oil? S. Korea exports nuclear reactors. I don't think an oil power plant is beyond their capability.
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| Oh, don't cry blind rabbit. Here's a Kleenex to dry those tears. I'd stick with Kleenex for your facial tissue needs since Costco sells them. |
atwood, shut up. |
br wrote:
Enuff said.
Now, br, STFU. Thank you and good night. |
atwood you don't have blackouts and you have heat right now, so you're making a mountain out of a molehill with this whole "energy shortage". We're talking a few brownouts in summer. Something that happens in ever superpower or wannabe superpower.
And that last comment is it. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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but since Korea doesn't have the power plants to convert that oil, or coal or whatever energy source they wish to employ, into electricity, it doesn't really matter.
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Right, but doesn't that mean that Korea can just build/buy more power plants like it does oil? S. Korea exports nuclear reactors. I don't think an oil power plant is beyond their capability.
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| Oh, don't cry blind rabbit. Here's a Kleenex to dry those tears. I'd stick with Kleenex for your facial tissue needs since Costco sells them. |
atwood, shut up. |
br wrote:
Enuff said.
Now, br, STFU. Thank you and good night. |
atwood you don't have blackouts and you have heat right now, so you're making a mountain out of a molehill with this whole "energy shortage". We're talking a few brownouts in summer. Something that happens in ever superpower or wannabe superpower.
And that last comment is it. |
br posted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18507075
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZhjO2sSS1w
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2008/07/07/South-Korea-restricts-energy-to-cut-costs/UPI-92551215470969/
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/06/117_113333.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-17/south-korea-to-start-mandatory-power-savings-as-shortages-loom.html |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that was in response to a shortage due to the postponed construction of nuclear plants. And government offices restricting energy use is just sensible and both good savings and good for the environment.
S. Korea is a country that exports nuclear reactors to other countries. There aren't lines for heating oil and people resorting to burning trash. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.
atwood, you started with some kind of "problem" that Korea has, likely while you were sitting in your cold office, and deduced that since that exists, that prevents a country from ever becoming a superpower.
What you failed to do was even stop and consider if power shortages, similar to those in Korea, ever happened in the rise of England, the US, or the USSR. You just posted impulsively.
Are you really saying that nothing similar has happened in the history of the Soviet Union? They were a superpower. If they had any kind of energy situation like you suggest, then by your own claim, they aren't going to become a superpower. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that was in response to a shortage due to the postponed construction of nuclear plants. And government offices restricting energy use is just sensible and both good savings and good for the environment.
S. Korea is a country that exports nuclear reactors to other countries. There aren't lines for heating oil and people resorting to burning trash. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.
atwood, you started with some kind of "problem" that Korea has, likely while you were sitting in your cold office, and deduced that since that exists, that prevents a country from ever becoming a superpower.
What you failed to do was even stop and consider if power shortages, similar to those in Korea, ever happened in the rise of England, the US, or the USSR. You just posted impulsively.
Are you really saying that nothing similar has happened in the history of the Soviet Union? They were a superpower. If they had any kind of energy situation like you suggest, then by your own claim, they aren't going to become a superpower. |
What I've said is crystal clear and is undeniable. It is not about my office being cold; it is about an entire nation being cold in their offices and homes during the winter and hot in the summer. A government that has to regularly restrict domestic energy usage is not on the verge of being a superpower.
What was impulsive was your response and attempts to rebut my post. You are still wrongly harping on intermittent energy shortages, your examples of which were incorrect, and missing the point.
How is a country which has yet to put its own house in order going to ascend to international leadership? It's not.
Now I've explained it to you once again, but it looks like the only one interested in learning is the teacher.
And before you start typing again, take that wrong-headed analogy that you're considering using and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:07 am Post subject: |
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A government that has to regularly restrict domestic energy usage is not on the verge of being a superpower.
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cough... cough... been to China?.... cough... cough... |
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atwood
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:39 am Post subject: |
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A government that has to regularly restrict domestic energy usage is not on the verge of being a superpower.
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cough... cough... been to China?.... cough... cough... |
The difference being, as you note, it's to curb pollution rather than to shore up a fundamental weakness. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:59 am Post subject: |
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A government that has to regularly restrict domestic energy usage is not on the verge of being a superpower.
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cough... cough... been to China?.... cough... cough... |
The difference being, as you note, it's to curb pollution rather than to shore up a fundamental weakness. |
You do realize that most of China's population still live in pretty bleak conditions? Running water, a private bathroom, and electricity are luxuries for most Chinese. Yet, many people believe they will be among the next superpowers.
Just saying regulating energy usage has nothing to do if a nation is on the verge of being a superpower. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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And as was mentioned, I'm pretty sure the USSR and Great Britain had energy shortages and heating and cooling problems for many of the serfs/proletariat. Certainly nothing like a giant office not being able to blast A/C 24/7 but every coffee shop, shopping mall, and other place of leisure having A/C just fine.
It's obvious atwood made a "type-first, think-second" drive-by statement while sitting in his chilly office and rather than admit to how baseless it is, he is playing some silly game of diversion.
Which is more accurate- "A country that can't produce enough energy to heat its buildings in winter and cool them in the summer is not on the path to being a superpower."
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"Countries have become superpowers while pursuing hegemony, often times while large numbers of their people struggle with basic things like heating and cooling."
Which do you think is more historically accurate? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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A government that has to regularly restrict domestic energy usage is not on the verge of being a superpower.
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cough... cough... been to China?.... cough... cough... |
The difference being, as you note, it's to curb pollution rather than to shore up a fundamental weakness. |
You do realize that most of China's population still live in pretty bleak conditions? Running water, a private bathroom, and electricity are luxuries for most Chinese. Yet, many people believe they will be among the next superpowers.
Just saying regulating energy usage has nothing to do if a nation is on the verge of being a superpower. |
Just sayin' that your post makes no sense. |
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atwood
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| Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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And as was mentioned, I'm pretty sure the USSR and Great Britain had energy shortages and heating and cooling problems for many of the serfs/proletariat. Certainly nothing like a giant office not being able to blast A/C 24/7 but every coffee shop, shopping mall, and other place of leisure having A/C just fine.
It's obvious atwood made a "type-first, think-second" drive-by statement while sitting in his chilly office and rather than admit to how baseless it is, he is playing some silly game of diversion.
Which is more accurate- "A country that can't produce enough energy to heat its buildings in winter and cool them in the summer is not on the path to being a superpower."
OR
"Countries have become superpowers while pursuing hegemony, often times while large numbers of their people struggle with basic things like heating and cooling."
Which do you think is more historically accurate? |
First, you begin with more deception: "As already mentioned.." NO, you mentioned it. There's a big difference. (And don't forget. I had to inform you that England was a superpower.)
Then you show, again, your lack of critical thinking skills. You write, "I'm pretty sure," which means that you don't know and that you're the one making a "type-first, think-second" post, although in your case "type-first, never think" would be more accurate.
Alas poor Nellie, thought jam was jelly. Get back to us when you actually know something,
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| "Countries have become superpowers while pursuing hegemony, often times while large numbers of their
struggle with basic things like heating and cooling." |
You have a real problem recognizing differences. There's a big difference between people and governments. And yes, even superpowers have poor people, so please put that red herring back in the barrel.
It's too bad they don't have dog racing in Korea. Then they'd need a blind rabbit like you to run round the track. "There goes Rusty!" |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Just sayin' that your post makes no sense. |
Regulating energy use has nothing to do if a nation is on the verge of being a superpower. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Just sayin' that your post makes no sense. |
Regulating energy use has nothing to do if a nation is on the verge of being a superpower. |
Nonsense. It's a perfectly legitimate indicator if a nation has the ability to stretch beyond its borders and impose its will on the world at large. How can it do that and the things necessary to doing that, such as become a leader in military technology, if it can't even build the infrastructure to produce enough energy without fear of blowing a million fuses? (I stole the hyperbole from br--credit where credit is due.) |
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