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Just heard a tax-related horror story... freaking out.
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Emark



Joined: 10 May 2007
Location: duh, Korea?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got a request from my school to fill out a bunch of tax forms. Been in Korea as early as 2004 and have never been asked to do this.

Now I'm a little worried too reading about back penalties and such.

Oh well. Fill out the 6 pages of invasive personal financial information and then wait & see.
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fustiancorduroy



Joined: 12 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gotten an income earnings report and filed my taxes every year I've worked in Korea. What have you guys been doing? Question
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fustiancorduroy wrote:
I've gotten an income earnings report and filed my taxes every year I've worked in Korea. What have you guys been doing? Question


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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No_hite_pls wrote:
fustiancorduroy wrote:
I've gotten an income earnings report and filed my taxes every year I've worked in Korea. What have you guys been doing? Question


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I'd be scared if I was some of you too. If they pull out your income tax and compare it to your bank records I bet a lot of numbers won't match.
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Worlder



Joined: 26 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it happened to me a year ago. I suddenly got a tax bill in the thousands, citing some 17% rule. I was also under the impression that the 3.3% covered it, and was handled by the employer. Apparently not.
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Rockhard



Joined: 11 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worlder wrote:
Yeah, it happened to me a year ago. I suddenly got a tax bill in the thousands, citing some 17% rule. I was also under the impression that the 3.3% covered it, and was handled by the employer. Apparently not.


That's the worst part of it. If you don't file, you don't get to apply deductions which turns a 4% tax rate into a 15% tax rate. And they fine you on top of that.
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FriendlyDaegu



Joined: 26 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worlder wrote:
Yeah, it happened to me a year ago. I suddenly got a tax bill in the thousands, citing some 17% rule. I was also under the impression that the 3.3% covered it, and was handled by the employer. Apparently not.


Sounds fishy, like your employer did not turn over the 3.3%. Did you get a tax withholding statement from the employer to verify how much they kept and turned over to the tax office?
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Worlder



Joined: 26 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I asked for that paper, multiple times. They said, "Sure. No problem." But I'd already changed agencies, and paid the tax bill, so after a month of asking I just gave up. I'm pretty sure they did pay the 3.3%, I think the tax form mentioned it somewhere, but I'm just disappointed that the information about having to pay additional tax was not freely given.
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FriendlyDaegu



Joined: 26 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lesson here is that anyone who is paying a withholding of 3.3% is not an employee and MUST file their own taxes. If you don't, the NTS will calculate your taxes for you (without deductions, it sounds like) and come after you for the remainder. Hagwons should be making this known to their IC workers.

From the latest tax guide, the tax rate with no deductions/credits is W720,000 + 15% of the amount over 12M, for most salaries.

Real employees do not have to file; the employer must do it for them. The employer will give the refund with the March pay. If they have been doing the withholding properly, there will be a refund, and you should already know how much it will be.

If your employer is not asking for your deduction information in January, something is wrong. If they don't provide you with the 'Receipt for Wage & Salary Income Tax Withholding' by the end of February, something is very wrong, and you have only a couple weeks to get it sorted. The deadline for employers to file is March 10.

Honestly, Korea's tax system is much simpler than anywhere else I've been. Go to the NTS website, on the Resources/Publications page, and search for 'foreigners'. Download their Foreigners' Easy Guide for TY2013 to learn about all the deductions and credits you should be getting. Check your employer's calculations against the guide to make sure everything is on the up and up.
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Rockhard



Joined: 11 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The part that tripped me up was being a sponsored foreign worker and being self-employed contractor at the same time. It just never occurred to me that you could be sponsored by a single employer, work there full time, and be outlawed from working anywhere else, yet still be considered self-employed and independent by the tax code.

The fact that independent contractor status STILL exists for those on E2 is really quite embarrassing for the Korean government. It's just so amateurish.

So yeah, I learned a lesson. Not the lesson that I should be responsible for my tax obligations. No, no. I learned that you can't trust the Korean government to even follow its only laws. I learned that you should always expect the worst from people. I learned that you should assume, fancy title or not, that people are as intelligent as flea larvae and treat the accordingly or you'll wind up with a nice big fine.
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FriendlyDaegu



Joined: 26 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, 99% of the blame should go to the hagwons who continue to classify workers as ICs despite the fact that the workers fall under the guidelines of regular employees (regular payment of wages, work on a schedule under boss's direction, follow company rules, etc.). They do this to reduce their share of benefit costs. If the owners were taken to task on this they would lose.

I agree with you, someone like MOEL should put out a directive that sponsored workers should all be regular employees. That would clear things up.

Until then, teachers who sign IC contracts should be aware of the downsides and should be compensated for the benefits they're losing.
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Rockhard



Joined: 11 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what you are saying, but I would like to note that the institution to blame here is not MOEL, which has no authority, but the NTS. I fought with the NTS with this matter when it happened to me, providing all the proof I was indeed an employee, and they simply didn't want to hear it. They are not interested in enforcing their own laws. They've allowed Korean businesses to interpret the law as they see fit. And while the labour board has shown some sympathy towards foreigners, the tax service could not care less.

I would also like to say that IC status does work for SOME people, just not those on E2. As someone with F5 and who works short contracts, I am a REAL independent contractor and the status works for me.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FriendlyDaegu wrote:
IMO, 99% of the blame should go to the hagwons who continue to classify workers as ICs despite the fact that the workers fall under the guidelines of regular employees (regular payment of wages, work on a schedule under boss's direction, follow company rules, etc.).

By classifying E-2 workers as independent contractors, hagwons are breaking the law. It is illegal (despite what The Urban Myth and ontheway might say).
wooden nickels wrote:
If you are on an E2-VISA, and are from Canada, USA,
..., you are not an Independent Contractor. I own a business that has/does
employee E2-VISA holders and others. I have been through all the government
agencies on this matter. All of the agencies have told me, by law, I am the
sponsor of the E2-VISA holder and that in this case the E2-VISA holder
cannot be an Independent Contractor by law.
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