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[Captain Corea]

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Here is the kicker--

The school is the renter of record, they provide housing for the westerner. It is not compensation for working. It is provided as a place to live while one fulfills their paid duties.

The school is NOT renting the apartment to the westerner. The school has the right to restrict who stays in the apartment because it is their apartment not the westerners.

The westerner has left the apartment unannounced over the years and they have left with no liability. If hey were renting they would have liability for non-payment of rent, violating the rental contract and so on.

The school has the liability and is often left holding the bag for whatever excuse the westerner dredges up to justify their quick move out.

\The fact that CC and whoever owns apartments doesn't play into this for their situation is a lot different. There is nothing legally binding the westerner to their school offered apartment.

You all should check into the term 'company housing' and see the difference between renting the normal way and be provided a house to live in while working for a company.

You all have a lot to learn especially about being honest.

P.s. NONE of you have posted anything official to back you up. I did and now you are upset because I am one up on you again.

[Captain Corea]

Ok, be honest then - how many accounts have you had on this forum? How many forums have you been banned from? Oh, and while you're at it, why not be honest about your claims at being a Doctor??

The apartment is part of the payment/benefits package of the employment contract. Just the same as paid vacation, pension, bonuses, personal driver, club memberships - they're all outlined in the employment contract.

However, to reiterate a point, no contract can supersede the law.

As for who is on the actual lease / registered as the resident at the local Gu, you might be very surprised to find the answer. In many cases, especially regarding officetels and smaller places, the owner still has themselves registered and will ask the tenant not to register under that address. Registering your address in Korea is a hot issue for many (politicians getting busted, tax evasion, changing schools), but it's very common practice.

Again, the more experience you have with owning/renting here, you'll find what is common practice. It's very common for only one member of the household to sign the rental agreement - but a whole family will move in. You'll also find that evicting tenants is not as easy as you make it out to be.



All that said, I've still yet to see the employment contract in the OP - and as far as I've read, there's no mention of a clause that pertains to the number of ppl in the apt - so al of this speculation, is simply that.

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[Troglodyte]

In my experience (and from what I've heard from other people) most hagwon owners won't care what you do in your apartment or during your free time, as long as it won't be connected back to the school. Unless you live just around the corner from the school, or in the same building, no one will ever make the connection. The only person who will care is the landlord or building manager because he'll want you to pay the appropriate building fees. If there are other people in the building who know that there's only one person officially living in the apartment, then they'll also want you to pay the higher fees. If anyone does ask (e.g. neighbors, students who might live in the same building, etc.), just say that he's your husband and it will eliminate any possible gossip.

Some public schools have rules about unmarried couples living together in school owned apartments but I don't think that it's common anymore. Hagwon owners, won't care. Just tell the building manager and pay the proper fees. It's honestly not a big issue.

[PatrickGHBusan]

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[Captain Corea]

Do you know everyone that lives in the apt you rent out? The names of all the family members? Who signed the lease? Every member?

Chances are, Patrick, one person from the family signed the lease, and that's who's name is on your contract. Now, two ppl can, but one is also very common (and children never sign).

So, what clause do you have regarding the number of occupants? What if their PIL comes live with them? What if they have a baby? Are you honestly stating that due to a clause in your contract, that's it's an enforceable reason to evict someone here?

Now, if a landlord does not want to renew after the term of the initial contract, so be it. But that's different than actually kicking someone out for having another occupant.

Imagine how that'd read "We had a contract that stated only 2 ppl could occupy the apt. But then I had a baby. So the landlord said one of us would have to move out, me, my husband, or the baby!"

It just doesn't fly. Not to mention that when people have babies, they often have extended family stay with them for extended periods.

So if this was a Goshiwon or temp hotel situation, I could see them saying $30 for the night. $40 for double occupancy. But in actually renting apartments, you think that'd fly?

Sorry, man. It just doesn't make any sense. You know that kicking someone out for that would be quite odd here.

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I managed a chain of hagwans for 4 years, employing over 50 foreign teachers. Not one lease agreement stipulated how many people were permitted to live in our rented apartments. Not a single one.

Some agreements contained the name of the primary resident, most did not. In addition, new teachers took over the apartments for teachers who left and in cases where there was a specific name on the agreement, that agreement was not amended.

It depends what is written in the contract. If the school wants to limit occupants, they can. There is no law regarding such.

[archaeologist5]

Just because you do not manage your properties that well doesn't mean the school doesn't have the right to restrict who lives there.

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