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archaeologist5
Joined: 25 Dec 2013
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Sadly for you I wasn't wrong on all counts. The school needs to give permission to have extra tenants in their apartments and the apartment is not part of the compensation package.
That is my last word in this thread. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| archaeologist5 wrote: |
Sadly for you I wasn't wrong on all counts. The school needs to give permission to have extra tenants in their apartments and the apartment is not part of the compensation package.
That is my last word in this thread. |
Your 'word' means nothing without proof. I posted proof the apartment is part of remuneration. You posted your 'word'. Glad it's your last though. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| archaeologist5 wrote: |
Sadly for you I wasn't wrong on all counts. The school needs to give permission to have extra tenants in their apartments and the apartment is not part of the compensation package.
That is my last word in this thread. |
The apartment IS part of the compensation package - read any contract with it in there.
And again, where does it say they NEED to be informed? If I have a child with me, do I need to inform the landlord? Do I NEED to get my kid to put their name on the lease?
No. That's not how it works. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:26 am Post subject: |
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I too own an atp building and the tenants certainly do not own the apt, they rent it. They have rights to be sure (for example I cannot come into the apt any time I like, cannot kick them out on a whim ect). However, they do have a rental agreement as well which specifies the number of occupants. This is due to insurance issues for the most part.
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You own an apt building in Korea? |
In Canada but we also rent out an apt in Busan (we bought it a couple of years ago). |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Do you know everyone that lives in the apt you rent out? The names of all the family members? Who signed the lease? Every member?
Chances are, Patrick, one person from the family signed the lease, and that's who's name is on your contract. Now, two ppl can, but one is also very common (and children never sign).
So, what clause do you have regarding the number of occupants? What if their PIL comes live with them? What if they have a baby? Are you honestly stating that due to a clause in your contract, that's it's an enforceable reason to evict someone here?
Now, if a landlord does not want to renew after the term of the initial contract, so be it. But that's different than actually kicking someone out for having another occupant.
Imagine how that'd read "We had a contract that stated only 2 ppl could occupy the apt. But then I had a baby. So the landlord said one of us would have to move out, me, my husband, or the baby!"
It just doesn't fly. Not to mention that when people have babies, they often have extended family stay with them for extended periods.
So if this was a Goshiwon or temp hotel situation, I could see them saying $30 for the night. $40 for double occupancy. But in actually renting apartments, you think that'd fly?
Sorry, man. It just doesn't make any sense. You know that kicking someone out for that would be quite odd here. |
Actually, the apt we rent out in Busan has occupancy rules. The agreement states how many occupants. There is no problem with adding an occupant, in fact it happened last year when the tenants wanted to bring their old mother to live with them. We simply amended the agreement, no problem.
The baby example is silly and not the same thing at all Capt.
There are insurance issues (in our case anyway).
As for the OP, she gets housing as an employment benefit and to me that complicates things. The benefit is derived from working at the school and hence for her. I think the best thing to do is be up front about things if you want to have someone else living with you in job provided housing. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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Do you know everyone that lives in the apt you rent out? The names of all the family members? Who signed the lease? Every member?
Chances are, Patrick, one person from the family signed the lease, and that's who's name is on your contract. Now, two ppl can, but one is also very common (and children never sign).
So, what clause do you have regarding the number of occupants? What if their PIL comes live with them? What if they have a baby? Are you honestly stating that due to a clause in your contract, that's it's an enforceable reason to evict someone here?
Now, if a landlord does not want to renew after the term of the initial contract, so be it. But that's different than actually kicking someone out for having another occupant.
Imagine how that'd read "We had a contract that stated only 2 ppl could occupy the apt. But then I had a baby. So the landlord said one of us would have to move out, me, my husband, or the baby!"
It just doesn't fly. Not to mention that when people have babies, they often have extended family stay with them for extended periods.
So if this was a Goshiwon or temp hotel situation, I could see them saying $30 for the night. $40 for double occupancy. But in actually renting apartments, you think that'd fly?
Sorry, man. It just doesn't make any sense. You know that kicking someone out for that would be quite odd here. |
Actually, the apt we rent out in Busan has occupancy rules. The agreement states how many occupants. There is no problem with adding an occupant, in fact it happened last year when the tenants wanted to bring their old mother to live with them. We simply amended the agreement, no problem.
The baby example is silly and not the same thing at all Capt.
There are insurance issues (in our case anyway).
As for the OP, she gets housing as an employment benefit and to me that complicates things. The benefit is derived from working at the school and hence for her. I think the best thing to do is be up front about things if you want to have someone else living with you in job provided housing. |
well, as Dave's proves once again - everyone has different experiences here. lol
I've never heard of someone amending their lease so their old MIL can live with them... but if that's the case with you, so be it.
I wonder though - is that the norm? Is it normal for ppl to ask their landlord to change the contract to let their MIL live with them? I'm guessing no.
Also, how is a baby any different/silly? It's another person in the residence. In fact, it's another LOUD person now living there. lol
If you're so concerned about the number of residents living there for insurance reasons - surely children would be a factor. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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Do you know everyone that lives in the apt you rent out? The names of all the family members? Who signed the lease? Every member?
Chances are, Patrick, one person from the family signed the lease, and that's who's name is on your contract. Now, two ppl can, but one is also very common (and children never sign).
So, what clause do you have regarding the number of occupants? What if their PIL comes live with them? What if they have a baby? Are you honestly stating that due to a clause in your contract, that's it's an enforceable reason to evict someone here?
Now, if a landlord does not want to renew after the term of the initial contract, so be it. But that's different than actually kicking someone out for having another occupant.
Imagine how that'd read "We had a contract that stated only 2 ppl could occupy the apt. But then I had a baby. So the landlord said one of us would have to move out, me, my husband, or the baby!"
It just doesn't fly. Not to mention that when people have babies, they often have extended family stay with them for extended periods.
So if this was a Goshiwon or temp hotel situation, I could see them saying $30 for the night. $40 for double occupancy. But in actually renting apartments, you think that'd fly?
Sorry, man. It just doesn't make any sense. You know that kicking someone out for that would be quite odd here. |
Actually, the apt we rent out in Busan has occupancy rules. The agreement states how many occupants. There is no problem with adding an occupant, in fact it happened last year when the tenants wanted to bring their old mother to live with them. We simply amended the agreement, no problem.
The baby example is silly and not the same thing at all Capt.
There are insurance issues (in our case anyway).
As for the OP, she gets housing as an employment benefit and to me that complicates things. The benefit is derived from working at the school and hence for her. I think the best thing to do is be up front about things if you want to have someone else living with you in job provided housing. |
well, as Dave's proves once again - everyone has different experiences here. lol
I've never heard of someone amending their lease so their old MIL can live with them... but if that's the case with you, so be it.
I wonder though - is that the norm? Is it normal for ppl to ask their landlord to change the contract to let their MIL live with them? I'm guessing no.
Also, how is a baby any different/silly? It's another person in the residence. In fact, it's another LOUD person now living there. lol
If you're so concerned about the number of residents living there for insurance reasons - surely children would be a factor. |
A baby is a dependant and can be expected if a couple lives in the apt. The MIL can also be seen as a dependant I suppose.
Anyway, that is how the apt we rent works and how the rest of the apt tower works as well. I have no problem accepting other situations may differ. I still do think the OP needs to tell her employer she intends to share her work provided apt with someone. |
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sparkles98356
Joined: 19 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:52 am Post subject: |
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My boyfriend is Korean. I met him here a few months after I started my job. He gradually started staying overnight more and eventually he moved in. I'm not sure what your contract says about your apartment, but mine mentions nothing about partners living with me. He is on friendly enough terms with the landlord who lives in the building so I'm assuming said landlord has either told my employers and they don't care, or he has kept his mouth shut. I really hadn't thought about it up until now so it's not like I've deliberately kept it quiet, but on the same token I've not gone and shouted it from the rooftops either. It just hasn't been an issue in my mind. Silly me!
As far as the legalities of it go; I don't have a clue. All I know is that it hasn't caused me any trouble as of yet. |
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