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Director refusing to pay return airfare - advice needed
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Michlerish



Joined: 08 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:22 am    Post subject: Director refusing to pay return airfare - advice needed Reply with quote

I'm nearing the end of my contract and my director is refusing to pay for my return airfare. She tried to say the recruiter changed the contract without her knowledge, but when I pointed out that she signed that same contract, she said the wording is vague so she's not paying it.

When I was hired from my home country, both the recruiter and the school said that two-way airfare would be provided. I've called the recruiter and she told me to go to the labour board.

I called the labour board and they say they don't deal with airfare provisions, and suggested that I could file a lawsuit.

Now, I'm also not receiving pension (no mention of it at all in contract) or health insurance (which IS mentioned in my contract), but I didn't care throughout the year thinking it's a minor loss. The other two foreign teachers at my school were already in Korea when hired, and opted out of these two things. Now that I'm not getting airfare, I thought that by calling those offices about the lack of pension and health insurance they could get me some help. The Pension office just said "we have no record of you here, so we can't help you". I didn't bother calling the Health Insurance office suspecting they'd say the same.

Regarding airfare, this is what my contract says:
"3.5 Airfare

Employer shall provide flight ticket. In the event that Employee willfully leaves the Employer before completion of his/her contract, Employer is not responsible for the return airfare"


Can anyone please give me some advice on what to do next? Is my only option really to file a lawsuit? If I can get some money for lack of pension/health insurance, I'd take that instead of airfare money... but am I out of luck with that too?
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How were you paid each month? Does it show pension deductions? If you got paid your agreed salary amount without deductions, then you will have to back pay. This means you pay half and then try to collect on the other half.

Even if they did take your half out each month, my personal opinion is that if you take legal action you can make them look worse by showing this than trying to settle for less. List everything they haven't paid.

Remember, you also have your last month's pay to collect on. What are you overall plans? Will you stay in Korea or return home? If you return home, minimize your losses and move on. If you are staying in Korea, you can make regular return visits with subtle annoyances to see if that gets them to pay you so you leave them alone.

This is normal behavior in Korea.


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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Government workers are, for the most part, lazy sods.
If you call they will brush you off.
If you go to their offices (with a translator) and push the issue they will deal with you, file the appropriate paperwork and start your claims.

If you plan to leave at the end of your contract then write it off to bad luck and not vetting the employer before you started work. Issues like these are not usually one-off events and there would have been others before you who were also screwed.

If you plan to remain in Korea with another employer then finish your contract, collect what you can and THEN FILE your complaints with the various offices. While you are at it, become a nuisance at the tax office till then take her on for tax fraud.
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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regarding airfare, this is what my contract says:
"3.5 Airfare

Employer shall provide flight ticket. In the event that Employee willfully leaves the Employer before completion of his/her contract, Employer is not responsible for the return airfare"


If you look at the wording of the contract there is nothing there that specifically states they will pay the return airfare. If they paid for your flight here then they have met their contractural (sp) responsibility and did not violate the contract.

Your director is right, the wording is very vague and it is possible to change parts of the contract while the original signature is left untouched. Now unless she initialed each page, she would have a very good argument that would boil down to a he said/she said debate.

You can try and file a complaint hoping no Korean picks up on the specific wording but it may be a long shot.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

archaeologist5 wrote:
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Regarding airfare, this is what my contract says:
"3.5 Airfare

Employer shall provide flight ticket. In the event that Employee willfully leaves the Employer before completion of his/her contract, Employer is not responsible for the return airfare"


If you look at the wording of the contract there is nothing there that specifically states they will pay the return airfare. If they paid for your flight here then they have met their contractural (sp) responsibility and did not violate the contract.

Your director is right, the wording is very vague and it is possible to change parts of the contract while the original signature is left untouched. Now unless she initialed each page, she would have a very good argument that would boil down to a he said/she said debate.

You can try and file a complaint hoping no Korean picks up on the specific wording but it may be a long shot.


You're an English teacher, supposedly, and yet your interpretation of this quite clear English passage is absolutely incorrect. A drunken chimpanzee stomping on a typewriter would likely make a more correct sentence than the rubbish you just posted.

First: The contract is not vague. "Return airfare" is just that: return. The employer owes the employee a plane ride.

Second: The employee is not leaving before the end of the contract.

Last: You castigated other foreigners for discussing fine points of contracts here by repeatedly telling them they're not lawyers so they can't comment on the issue. You're not a lawyer so you really should shut up.
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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cali--stop embarrassing yourself. The word 'return' is not in the portion of the contract that was provided.

I also said nothing about finishing the contract or not.


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You're not a lawyer so you really should shut up.


sounds to me like you are a very jealous person. I didn't give legal advice, i just explained what the contract said. I did not say to file or not file a complaint. I also warned her that if the Korean spick up on the wording then the complaint will be tough.

You do not understand anything about contract law so do everyone a favor and stop muddying the waters.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: Airfare is a contractual, not statute, issue. If you do not intend to remain in Korea, you might as well write that off. If you do remain in Korea, filing in small claims court might be your best chance. Lawyers in Korea are expensive so it's probably not worth hiring one to run the case for you.

The Pension and NHI are both statute issues. It doesn't matter if the contract mentions them or not as they are required by law. As one poster above stated, you must still prove you made your payments (or at least that the employer took the payments out of your salary). You cannot "opt out" of them and must make back payments when the appropriate gov't offices catch wind of this. That is to your advantage because not only must you make the back payments, so must your employer.

For the Pension, you can initiate your case prior to leaving Korea and designate someone to appear on your behalf at all hearings related to it. The Pension office has a nifty form for that very purpose. Of course, the form is only in Korea, but you can get a Korean-speaking friend to assist you.

NHI, by the way, is not a small loss if you have an emergency. I had to spend almost a month (sadly, over a month-long vacation) in the hospital and was quite happy that I did not have to pay full fare as I would have had to do absent the NHI coverage. Pension works out to approximately an extra month's pay (unless you're a citizen of a country that does not have the reciprocal agreement with Korea to get total contributions returned to you when you leave Korea).

Thiessen: You are a liar. You actually quoted the very word and state it's not in there! The only embarrassment here is you. Even if the word weren't in the cotract, the rest of the wording in the contract indicates that is what is meant.

OP: Don't pay attention to Thiessen. He's a well-known and well-reviled suck-up to the most atrocious stunts pulled by dishonest employers in Korea.
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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I am not a liar. I was addressing the words that I had bolded. You will notice that the words I had put in bold do not contain the word 'return' it is vague and the director does not have to pay the return airfare.

There is NO promise to pay return airfare in that clause.

The mere mentioning of the word 'return' airfare in the part about unfulfilled contracts does not indicate any promise to pay return airfare at any time. It is clearly stating it won't do it in that case.

It is simply making a clarification on the responsibility of the employer. The OP's issue or problem lies solely in the words I put in bold. Those are vague and leaves the director a way out of paying for any return flight.
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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OP: Don't pay attention to Thiessen. He's a well-known and well-reviled suck-up to the most atrocious stunts pulled by dishonest employers in Korea.


If I am that, then you are the exact opposite and one of the main reasons why westerners have so many problems in this country. You give bad advice, you tell people to do the wrong things, you tell people to treat Koreans badly, you mock and denigrate Koreans and display your hatred, bias and prejudice against them at every turn.

The only liar is you.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where have I given bad advice? I pointed out the government offices where person may avail themselves of assistance of the Korean government operating within Korean law. Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I told someone to do something wrong? I consistently tell people to do the honest thing. Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I told someone to treat Koreans badly, mocked or denigrated Koreans, or displayed a supposed bias and prejudice against Koreans? Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I lied? Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

I am not prejudiced and I do not hate anyone. I don't even hate you, although you are quite dishonest and very tiresome. I pity you, rather.
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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are a liar


You really have a problem with the English language don't you? You immediately accuse someone of doing something simply because you do not like them.

You toss away all other options, refuse to give the benefit of the doubt, refuse to admit someone made an honest mistake because you hate somebody so much that you will ignore the truth of what took place and distort it to fit your hatred.

Now I did not lie as I did not purposefully misrepresented what was posted. I did make an honest mistake when I did not see one word and spoke too soon. There is a big difference between doing a lie and making a mistake but you like to ignore that difference because your hatred for me will cause to say anything in order to near my name--even if it is purposeful, dishonest remarks. (or a lie).

You accused me of giving advice as well but you forgot that there is a big difference between the words 'advice', 'explanation' and 'warning' yet you hasten to use the one word because you want to use your hatred again to attack me.

I have been very patient with you but I now suggest you tone it down and go get help for your very unchristian emotions. (those words do not indicate that I regard you as a Christian but refer to your own claims about yourself).

You have the problem not me.
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archaeologist5



Joined: 25 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Where have I given bad advice? I pointed out the government offices where person may avail themselves of assistance of the Korean government operating within Korean law. Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I told someone to do something wrong? I consistently tell people to do the honest thing. Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I told someone to treat Koreans badly, mocked or denigrated Koreans, or displayed a supposed bias and prejudice against Koreans? Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I lied? Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

I am not prejudiced and I do not hate anyone. I don't even hate you, although you are quite dishonest and very tiresome. I pity you, rather.


If you are so ignorant of your own posts my providing them won't help you see the truth. This is your modus operendi with anyone who tells you the truth about yourself. You play dumb and innocent forgetting that for years everyone has read your posts and knows exactly what you are like.

OH and before I go, it seems you have a problem with memory. I signed up to this board because you were lying and spreading lies about me. I would love to point those posts out again, but they were removed.

So don't play innocent when you are the one spreading the false witness.
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EZE



Joined: 05 May 2012

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"3.5 Airfare

Employer shall provide flight ticket. In the event that Employee willfully leaves the Employer before completion of his/her contract, Employer is not responsible for the return airfare.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

archaeologist5 wrote:
CentralCali wrote:
Where have I given bad advice? I pointed out the government offices where person may avail themselves of assistance of the Korean government operating within Korean law. Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I told someone to do something wrong? I consistently tell people to do the honest thing. Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I told someone to treat Koreans badly, mocked or denigrated Koreans, or displayed a supposed bias and prejudice against Koreans? Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

Where have I lied? Provide a post of mine proving otherwise or do the right thing and apologize for your false witness.

I am not prejudiced and I do not hate anyone. I don't even hate you, although you are quite dishonest and very tiresome. I pity you, rather.


If you are so ignorant of your own posts my providing them won't help you see the truth. This is your modus operendi with anyone who tells you the truth about yourself. You play dumb and innocent forgetting that for years everyone has read your posts and knows exactly what you are like.

OH and before I go, it seems you have a problem with memory. I signed up to this board because you were lying and spreading lies about me. I would love to point those posts out again, but they were removed.

So don't play innocent when you are the one spreading the false witness.


In short: You have no evidence to support your accusations, calendar/archaeologist5.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michlerish, are you planning on leaving Korea after this job or sticking around for a while (e.g. at another job)?
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