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World Traveler
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| Positive stereotypes about Asian Americans are rooted in reality: They are more educated, wealthier and value work, marriage and family more than Americans as a whole, according to a Pew Research report out today. |
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| The survey says Asian Americans are more satisfied with their lives, personal finances and the general direction of the country than Americans as a whole. |
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| Asians as a whole have a median household income of $66,000 (half make more, half less) |
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| "Asians have a much more positive attitude toward government" than the country as a whole, Tanden says. "That may be in part because many Asians come from countries where government does not work nearly as properly or on behalf of the people." |
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| Asians are more likely to be married and to live in a multigenerational household. They are less likely to be born to an unwed mother. |
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| "The best and the brightest in the world are coming to the United States," Tanden says. "The report is a testament to the promise of America and the promise of the American dream." |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do Koreans want to learn English? Think about that question. |
Why do the French, the German, the Japanese, the Chinese, Brazilians, etc, etc.? Could it be that:
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| Workers whose jobs require them to interact with people in foreign countries say that English is the dominant language of business, according to a new poll. |
And it could be that some people just want to better themselves or are interested in learning languages.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/16/us-language-idUSBRE84F0OK20120516 |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| the elites in the US have been raping the middle class for decades and its finally coming to a head now. Why have real US wages not gone up since the early 70's while US worker productivity has gone through the roof during the same period? |
Raping? If real wages (meaning adjusted for inflation) have stayed the same (which they have), well that means things are just as good as before for the middle class. Why be mad because the richest people are getting more? That sounds very crab in the bucketish. The two richest people in the world, Americans Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, are giving most of their money away anyways. Those two people did so much to help Africa, the United States, etc.
U.S. worker productivity has gone through the roof because of advancements in efficiency (due to technology, etc.). That's good, right?
Look at wages for Westerners teaching English in Korea. Adjusted for inflation, payment has gone way down, this as the Korean economy has become much more wealthy. What do you think of that? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Positive stereotypes about Asian Americans are rooted in reality: They are more educated, wealthier and value work, marriage and family more than Americans as a whole, according to a Pew Research report out today. |
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| The survey says Asian Americans are more satisfied with their lives, personal finances and the general direction of the country than Americans as a whole. |
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| Asians as a whole have a median household income of $66,000 (half make more, half less) |
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| "Asians have a much more positive attitude toward government" than the country as a whole, Tanden says. "That may be in part because many Asians come from countries where government does not work nearly as properly or on behalf of the people." |
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| Asians are more likely to be married and to live in a multigenerational household. They are less likely to be born to an unwed mother. |
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| "The best and the brightest in the world are coming to the United States," Tanden says. "The report is a testament to the promise of America and the promise of the American dream." |
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What point are you trying to make with these quotes? How do these address income disparity? |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Just an example of how hard working people can have a good middle class life in America. (I don't see how that could possibly be irrelevant to the discussion we are having now.) |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| why did you pack up and leave US and come to Korea? |
American passport = power
United States citizenship = opportunity
If you want to know about my personal life, I was a "loser back home". I grew up in the ghetto in one of the poorest parts of the U.S. (not the norm, as I would later learn). Could have I moved to a richer part of the U.S.? Yes, I could have, but I had no connections and knew no one in wealthier parts of the country. Some people take a risk and do it anyways. Could have I? Sure. I could have. But I didn't. I was too afraid. |
All is now clear. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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U.S. worker productivity has gone through the roof because of advancements in efficiency (due to technology, etc.). That's good, right? |
It is meaningless if the fruits of the productivity increase are totally captured at the very top.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=214237535
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| [S]ince 1979, while productivity has grown 75 percent, average wages are up just five percent. |
This is not an attack on America, by the way, it is an attack on about 85 people, some of who happen to be "American," but who are so powerful that nationality has surely become an illusion. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Here's something you didn't know, PGHB:
The standard of living is going up for people all over the world.
Salaries for Asians have DOUBLED in the past ten years. (That's for Asia as a whole.) Life expectancy for everyone in general across the world has gone up (except for parts of Africa ravaged by AIDS). Not long ago, only 1% of the world's population was a college grad. Now it's 7%. Things are getting better for everyone overall. Wealth acquisition is not a zero sum game. Rich people getting money doesn't automatically mean poor people get less. |
Wealth acquisiton is localized and highly concentrated in a certain part of the world as are college degrees.
If you think things are getting "better", well you certainly wear some interesting glasses. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Things are getting better, all across the world. More people can read and write than ever before. The overwhelming majority of the world now has electricity, too. (That was not the case in the not so distant past. Six billion people have electricity. One billion do not, which is unfortunate, but it is a huge improvement compared to before. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Things are getting better, all across the world. |
I couldn't agree more. Yet people think you're crazy if you say something like this.
Check out the book Abundance: The Future is Better Than You Think by Peter Diamandis. It's a quick read, but gives lots of reasons why the world is not going to hell in a hand basket like so many people like to believe. Diamandis is a pretty amazing human.
Another decent read on the subject is The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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winner takes all!
it's 85 today, one day it will 10 people have more money than the whole world
then like he said in the highlander!
"THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE" |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| why did you pack up and leave US and come to Korea? |
American passport = power
United States citizenship = opportunity
If you want to know about my personal life, I was a "loser back home". I grew up in the ghetto in one of the poorest parts of the U.S. (not the norm, as I would later learn). Could have I moved to a richer part of the U.S.? Yes, I could have, but I had no connections and knew no one in wealthier parts of the country. Some people take a risk and do it anyways. Could have I? Sure. I could have. But I didn't. I was too afraid. |
Pro-tip. When arguing FOR something it is probably better NOT to undercut your own argument.
You claim that having a U.S passport and citizenship equals power and opportunity yet (a) you were unable to parley this into a meaningful career and (b) continue to stay in South Korea (which is a country you constantly compare with the U.S and find that it comes up short.)
Yet in the same breath you will tell people to go back home and get one of the great jobs that (according to you) that are there and unfilled by the thousands.
Your argument would be far better served if you actually went back home, got a "great" or even decent job and then used your example to illustrate your point. As it stands. it's not exactly inspiring too many to return home.
This is not a flame BTW...just saying. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't undercut my own argument; you just misunderstood.
American passport = power; United States citizenship = opportunity...ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
The same cannot be said for the ROK. Why? Korean is a difficult language spoken by less than 1% of the world's population. English is the world's lingua franca.
I grew up bad neighboorhoods of rust belt cities long past their prime.
I was and am a loser just like you, TUM. I made bad choices in life. So did my parents.
By the way, I am leaving Korea to return to the United States soon. (Why? Because Korea is not as good of a deal as it once was.) For you to say the United States sucks with no good job opportunities for anyone is not true at all. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Pro-tip: It's "parlay", not parley. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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United States citizenship = opportunity |
For the smart and hard working yes. |
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