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World Traveler
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
most people in the world dislike americans as tiger fancini mentioned.
i have spoken to so many people around the world that dislike americans, including many koreans. |
I guess you attract and associate with like minded people. The majority of the world, however, has a favorable impression of Americans. Survey after survey after survey has shown that. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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The re-education through labor system has been in place since 1957 and was subjected to minor reforms by the Chinese government in 2007. Estimates on the number of RTL detainees on any given year ranges from 190,000 to two million. China Daily in 2007 estimated that there were a total of 310 re-education centers in China at that time.[1]
On November 15, 2013, the Chinese government announced its decision to abolish the re-education through labor system.[2] |
See how many people the U.S. saved here? A lot. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/church/contents_church_reports.htm
Please stop making yourself look foolish. You can make a strong case that the US is a force for good, but you can not make a good case that it is some city on a hill force for moral purity. |
What does that have to do with the U.S. successfully pressuring communist China to close its labor camps? (Nothing at all.)
Your link is about something that happened long before I was born. The U.S. supposedly made a bad choice then. But maybe not. You don't know how many would have died had the U.S. not intervened. Maybe many more. The U.S. saved South America from communism. Is that a bad thing? Regardless, that was 40 years ago (and after that recommendations for reform were made and in some cases carried out. That's called progress and improvement.) As the worlds sole superpower, the U.S. has been using its power for good. The world is better off having the U.S. (rather than the Soviet Union or China) as the planet's strongest country. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah fed into their minds that the US supplied the materials that won World War II (90 percent). The US raised hell when South Korea was invaded by the North (When nobody else would have given a damn). The US prevented Russia from overrunning Europe (when certainly nobody else could have) |
Those are all admirable things to have accomplished. Well done, give yourselves a nice big pat on the back. However, going on to claim that such accomplishments make you "the greatest country to have ever existed" is going a bit far and will, understandably IMO, rub some people up the wrong way. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
1) You are consistently rude poster. (Most of your posts are insults.)
2) You don't what you are talking about. |
Thanks very much
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| The U.S. is generally well liked around the world (excluding in the Middle East where people worship Allah). |
Worshiping Allah is not just confined to the Middle East. A world traveler should know that.
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/08/19934453-us-soars-in-world-popularity-charts-post-iraq-but-will-it-last?lite
77% of those surveyed have a favorable impression of the United States. That's more than three out of four, a strong majority. |
Well now you've shown me a link to an American news site that reports that America has a good international image, I am more than convinced. |
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I'm With You
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
most people in the world dislike americans as tiger fancini mentioned.
i have spoken to so many people around the world that dislike americans, including many koreans. |
I guess you attract and associate with like minded people. The majority of the world, however, has a favorable impression of Americans. Survey after survey after survey has shown that. |
Yeah, I can see that.
I prefer American's to, say, Canadians or Australians or British.
We're just more laid back and outgoing and helpful and friendly.
But we're conflicted people, we know our government is up to no good yet we still want to love our country blindly. It's a weird feeling. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Everybody relax. Don't get so worked up. There's really no need to fight over this. America is the greatest country in the world. Why can't we all just get along? |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| America is the Iran of the west. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| USA! USA! USA! |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Canadian: America sucks.
American: Actually, the "evil" United States you hate so much contributed more to civilization than any other country (computers, cell phones, airplanes, etc.-pretty much everything you see before you- including Dave's ESL Cafe- was invented in the U.S.). Go pester someone else, weirdo, or better yet, get your facts straight before making yourself look like an absolute buffoon.
*The United States: the most influential nation to have ever existed.* |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| What I am writing is distasteful (but true). I almost didn't write it, but I guess now you know how the Americas you cold approach to tell about how much their country sucks feel. I don't go up to Canadians to tell them Canada sucks. Why would they do the same to me? |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Canadian: America sucks.
American: Actually, the "evil" United States contributed more to civilization than any other country (computers, cell phones, airplanes, etc.-pretty much everything you see before you was invented in the U.S.). Go pester someone else, weirdo, or better yet, get your facts straight. |
C'mon, man 
I'm not unsympathetic to what you're saying that some people are too happy to just bitch and moan without acknowledging the good, but in your posts you're turning into a caricature of the Ugly American. You're pretty much exemplifying the very trait that makes Americans disliked.
Also this tripe about contributing the most to civilization ever
You need to familiarize yourself with Newton's quote "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." Humble acknowledgement of the contributions of others that have gone before that prepared the ground for what he eventually accomplished. He didn't go around saying "I have made the biggest contribution to science in the history of the world" etc, probably for the rather insightful reason that this would make the guy into a complete *beep*. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:23 am Post subject: |
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The Roman Empire is the most influential political entity which has ever existed. It deeply influenced the culture and languages of multiple continents even long after its passing. It provided the basis for Christianity becoming the largest and most influential religion the Earth has ever known. It even influenced the founding of the USA.
Plus Ron Paul is really just a Cato the Younger wannabe. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Fair points, but I still think the U.S. has changed the world more in 200 years than the Roman Empire had in 500.
Should I be credited for (or blamed for) the influence the U.S. has had. Hell no. I just happened to be born there. Luck of the draw.
What strikes me as pathetic is when Canadians root for China (a fascist communist dictatorship) to overtake the United States, gleefully rubbing their hands in anticipation. (It happened in another thread.) Do the non Americans realize that when the United States hurts, the whole world suffers? ("When the U.S. sneezes, the whole world catches a cold.") You'd think they'd want a democracy to be the world's most powerful country. But I guess some people have a weird chip on their shoulder. What nationality someone is shouldn't even be an issue. (They had no choice in the matter after all.) Knowing the U.S. is a just and tolerant country is good for one's mental health. Plus, it makes you more tolerable to be around. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:13 am Post subject: |
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The US and the Roman Empire are simply not comparable in my view. They're far too separate in time and circumstance for it to be meaningful. The modern world changes so quickly because it has the technology to make change possible at a fast pace.
Also deciding which things are most important, influential, powerful etc is hopelessly subjective as to be almost pointless to talk about. As I alluded to a post ago, the US is on top at the moment because it has stood on the shoulders of giants- the cumulative advances of all who have gone before, most of which were not American in origin. This talk about what has been most influential can be dragged back and back to the point of absurdity. If primates millions of years ago didn't start walking around upright and then later start making tools there would be none us here, so I might as well posit this idea- many million year-old primitive humans have had more influence on the history of the world and civilisation than the USA. If I had a time machine and went back in time and stopped the US from ever coming into existence, there would still be civilization (sure I readily think it could well be worse without the US), but if I went back and removed cavemen, there would be no civilization at all. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
The US and the Roman Empire are simply not comparable in my view. They're far too separate in time and circumstance for it to be meaningful. The modern world changes so quickly because it has the technology to make change possible at a fast pace.
Also deciding which things are most important, influential, powerful etc is hopelessly subjective as to be almost pointless to talk about. As I alluded to a post ago, the US is on top at the moment because it has stood on the shoulders of giants- the cumulative advances of all who have gone before, most of which were not American in origin. This talk about what has been most influential can be dragged back and back to the point of absurdity. If primates millions of years ago didn't start walking around upright and then later start making tools there would be none us here, so I might as well posit this idea- many million year-old primitive humans have had more influence on the history of the world and civilisation than the USA. If I had a time machine and went back in time and stopped the US from ever coming into existence, there would still be civilization (sure I readily think it could well be worse without the US), but if I went back and removed cavemen, there would be no civilization at all. |
That's right. The cavemen were big strong chelloveks like us all. |
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