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atwood
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You're comparing apples and oranges with these statistics. Korean hiring and tenure granting practices are very, very different from those used in American institutions. Many of my friends at work are Korean professors around the 4- to 7-year mark of their current positions, and our frequent conversations regarding tenure requirements have varied greatly from the same conversations I've had with my father, now a retired professor from America.
Here's some actual info:
http://en.knu.ac.kr/02_academics/academics03.html
For those that don't know, 400% equates to publishing 4 single-authro papers, which is only one per year during the probationary period at this university (but it would be best to shoot for 480% or 560%, per the further graded requirements listed). These are to be in journals of "domestic repute," so journals such as those published by KATE, MEESO, or ALAK would satisfy this requirement.
My Korean colleagues say that they often "share" their work with another professor, as a two-author work is worth 70% each, so these two professors could earn 140% each for their "collaboration" on these two works, likely splitting first-author honors.
Another factor of note is the Korean language requirement, but if you're choosing to live and research in Korea for the long term, you're likely proficient at least at TOPIK level 3.
J7 |
I'm not sure who you're responding to, but I don't see many posts comparing Korean to U.S. university tenure. I think it's widely acknowledged that it's tougher to get tenure in the U.S., although where it's tougher to get a tenure-track position is open to debate.
My reference to tenure was in regards to U.S. public schools only. I made that clear. |
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swashbuckler
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| jackson7 wrote: |
| 60 million a year as a "stress-free" school teacher in the States? Please enlighten us as to where this holy grail of teaching exists (I come from a family of public school teachers, and while you may find yourself earning that kind of money after many years of service in certain districts, the idea of a stress-free environment is very far from the truth). |
Well, then why are they all still in America working as public school teachers instead of over here getting a doctorate in TESOL and teaching English at a Korean uni with five months vacation and apparently minimal responsibilities even at the tenure level like you? There must be some reason why packing it up and moving to Korea forever to pursue this 'dream job' doesn't really appeal to them. Hmmm.. |
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swashbuckler
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| jackson7 wrote: |
| The matter of tenure is VERY different here in Korea than it is in many western countries.J7 |
Ummm..standards? Could this also be related to why Korean universities own English Department faculty (and almost all other departments at elite school) almost never hire Koreans who did their Phd's in Korea? |
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Jodami
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Lots of hot air on this thread about Korean unis. 
The fact of the matter is - getting published in international journals is a piece of cake. (if you know how) 
Yes, yes, yes - I am speaking from personal experience. If you don't know the system, then you don't deserve to work there.  |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Jodami wrote: |
| The fact of the matter is - getting published in international journals is a piece of cake. |
Not in the top ranked ones. It is a difficult, stressful, and time consuming process. |
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Jodami
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Jodami wrote: |
| The fact of the matter is - getting published in international journals is a piece of cake. |
Not in the top ranked ones. It is a difficult, stressful, and time consuming process. |
We are talking publishing requirements for Korean unis here.......apples and oranges my friend.   |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Well, that may have been true when you were in Korea, but standards are being raised. (Unis are expecting more and more with no additional increase in payment.) |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| misher wrote: |
| like at Hongik Dae. |
Hongik raised the working hours. Also, they no longer accept online degrees, plus they are expecting people to publish now. (A change is underway there.) |
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Jodami
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Well, that may have been true when you were in Korea, but standards are being raised. (Unis are expecting more and more with no additional increase in payment.) |
I left Korea 7 months ago.
I published EVERY SINGLE YEAR at my former uni.  |
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Jodami wrote: |
| The fact of the matter is - getting published in international journals is a piece of cake. |
Not in the top ranked ones. It is a difficult, stressful, and time consuming process. |
Remember, this is Korea we're talking about. Everything is still smoke and mirrors/cutting corners/saving face, including academia. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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I left Korea 7 months ago.
I published EVERY SINGLE YEAR at my former uni. |
It was easy for you to write articles published in international journals? What kind of articles? How long were they? Academics I know in the U.S. told me it is not easy at all to get published. (Stuff is sent in then either rejected or if not rejected, sent back with revisions to be made. It takes a lot of revisions to be suitable for print with the reputable journals.) |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| 12 hours per year is indeed correct, as it is the way many professors' contracts refer to their teaching responsibilities. This works out to either two semesters of 6 hours/week each, or one semester of 9 hours/week, followed by one semester of 3 hours/week. |
So when they say 12 hours a year they actually mean 12 hours a week?
They just lie because its some sort of tradition associated with recruiting?
I see. |
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jackson7
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Yes. It's an amazing lie that they need to perpetuate in order to attract PhD holders that have no idea what they're getting into. You've cracked the code. Congrats.
J7 |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| It was easy for you to write articles published in international journals? What kind of articles? How long were they? Academics I know in the U.S. told me it is not easy at all to get published. (Stuff is sent in then either rejected or if not rejected, sent back with revisions to be made. It takes a lot of revisions to be suitable for print with the reputable journals.) |
International journals
Journals varied but mostly had an ESL/Education/Linguistics theme
Length varied - long to short 
A piece of cake -YES, YES, YES.
Pm me if you really wanna know. Jodami ain't gonna share that kind of info on here. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| jackson7 wrote: |
You're comparing apples and oranges with these statistics. Korean hiring and tenure granting practices are very, very different from those used in American institutions. Many of my friends at work are Korean professors around the 4- to 7-year mark of their current positions, and our frequent conversations regarding tenure requirements have varied greatly from the same conversations I've had with my father, now a retired professor from America.
Here's some actual info:
http://en.knu.ac.kr/02_academics/academics03.html
For those that don't know, 400% equates to publishing 4 single-authro papers, which is only one per year during the probationary period at this university (but it would be best to shoot for 480% or 560%, per the further graded requirements listed). These are to be in journals of "domestic repute," so journals such as those published by KATE, MEESO, or ALAK would satisfy this requirement.
My Korean colleagues say that they often "share" their work with another professor, as a two-author work is worth 70% each, so these two professors could earn 140% each for their "collaboration" on these two works, likely splitting first-author honors.
Another factor of note is the Korean language requirement, but if you're choosing to live and research in Korea for the long term, you're likely proficient at least at TOPIK level 3.
J7 |
So you're at Sookmyung Women’s University, eh. |
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