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young_clinton
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 Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:41 am Post subject: Man accidently carries weapon into US Protectorate |
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http://news.yahoo.com/gps-canada-border-gun-160431000.html
This isn't Kansas Dorothy. We had a family friend who mistakenly carried a gun through an airport x-ray scanner (He seriously forgot he had the gun). A couple of months later the Federal Attorney drops the charge after looking into it. Am I to understand that Canadians feel that a person might not honestly make a mistake like the man in the above article? People honestly do stupid things. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, grow up. Canada is not a US protectorate. |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Man accidently carries weapon into US Protectorate |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
http://news.yahoo.com/gps-canada-border-gun-160431000.html
This isn't Kansas Dorothy. We had a family friend who mistakenly carried a gun through an airport x-ray scanner (He seriously forgot he had the gun). A couple of months later the Federal Attorney drops the charge after looking into it. Am I to understand that Canadians feel that a person might not honestly make a mistake like the man in the above article? People honestly do stupid things. |
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse on either side of the border.
Crossing the line means you leave your constitution behind. In ain't Kansas and it ain't a "merican territory.
Or to put it another way... what would happen to a Mexican caught crossing the border into the US with illegal (prohibited) goods in his possession?
Tit-for-tat as they say. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. He won't get treated any worse than someone doing the same entering America.
The good news is that if he is indeed sentenced to 3 years (unlikely given the circumstances) he will be out in 12 months to be quickly deported and banned from re-entry.
They indeed need to put a fence around America.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:39 am Post subject: |
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If someone engages in frequent travel for business and tends to carry a gun because they might be transporting cash/valuables or are a famous celebrity, I can understand then. But that's a very narrow set of circumstances.
Yes, they should be careful and suffer consequences for their actions, but our justice system should also be able to demonstrate the evolved trait of 'mercy' and understand that someone who flies 5000 hours a year might make a slip up.
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Ignorance of the law is not an excuse on either side of the border.
Crossing the line means you leave your constitution behind. In ain't Kansas and it ain't "merican territoriality.
The good news is that if he is indeed sentenced to 3 years (unlikely given the circumstances) he will be out in 12 months to be quickly deported and banned from re-entry.
They indeed need to put a fence around America. |
However, intent is. If the guy genuinely had no intention of entering Canada and wound up stuck on a one-way to the Canadian border crossing, then we should be able to understand that and show compassion and mercy, not screaming for a pound of flesh.
Mercy, sir, mercy. As well as tolerance, understanding, and forgiveness. Do not let your hatred of guns overwhelm those qualities which enable you to be a better human being. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Would the US actually extradite in this case? Something doesn't seem right with this story, the guy seems like a bit of an idiot. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:42 am Post subject: |
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At the border, DiNatale asked if they could turn around, but was denied. A border patrol agent then asked if he owned a gun.
"I told him I was retired military, I had respect for weapons, and I had a concealed carry license to do so," DiNatale explained in a statement. "He asked me when was the last time I had a weapon on me. I told him, 'Earlier that week.' He asked me again, 'Why?' I told him it was my right as an American citizen to do so."
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It sounds like the guy was trying to pick a fight with the border guards. He didn't have to go on about "respecting weapons" or constitutional rights. All he should have done was explain his personal reasons for wanting a weapon in his car.
Imgaine Canada legalizes weed(I don't think that will happen, but just for a scenario), and some guy tells US border guards, "I respect weed and have the right as a Canadian citizen to smoke it." Then the guards find a bag of weed in his glove compartment.
I don't think his earlier foray into nationalistic chest-thumping will do him much good. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| It sounds like the guy was trying to pick a fight with the border guards. He didn't have to go on about "respecting weapons" or constitutional rights. All he should have done was explain his personal reasons for wanting a weapon in his car. |
Well...On the one hand, common sense says you should answer such questions politely and not get all emotional. The border guy is just trying to do his job.
On the other hand, if it goes beyond basic questions that the border guy is rattling off a forum, then yeah, there is a point where one owning a firearm is no different than engaging in free speech as the right to bear arms IS the 2nd Amendment in the US Constitution. Might as well ask if the guy has recently used a court appointed attorney.
I get that the guy was being a moron by going on his rant, but IF your nation decides to make bearing arms its second amendment to its national constitution, then the carrying and ownership of arms shouldn't considered suspicious. If that's the case then maybe a change in laws one way or the other is in order.
I dunno, I guess in a fair world the guy is right to throw the Constitution at the border guard's face, but then the border guard is allowed to bust out every single vehicle regulation in the book and nitpick for violations. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
If someone engages in frequent travel for business and tends to carry a gun because they might be transporting cash/valuables or are a famous celebrity, I can understand then. But that's a very narrow set of circumstances.
Yes, they should be careful and suffer consequences for their actions, but our justice system should also be able to demonstrate the evolved trait of 'mercy' and understand that someone who flies 5000 hours a year might make a slip up.
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Intent is very important when deciding rather or not to send a person to prison, at least in the US. These people who don't feel that way you have to wonder about
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like the guy was trying to pick a fight with the border guards. He didn't have to go on about "respecting weapons" or constitutional rights. All he should have done was explain his personal reasons for wanting a weapon in his car. |
He forgot the weapon was in his car. It's common for Americans to keep weapons for self defense.
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| I don't think his earlier foray into nationalistic chest-thumping will do him much good. |
No its dumb, but how significant is it when everything suggests the man did not intend to enter Canada with a firearm?
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Man accidently carries weapon into US Protectorate |
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They indeed need to put a fence around America.
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He tried to get the border guards to let him turn around and go back. In your mind that doesn't change things around as far as his intending to break the law? With your apparent rapid dislike of Americans' I guess not. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Man accidently carries weapon into US Protectorate |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
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They indeed need to put a fence around America.
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He tried to get the border guards to let him turn around and go back. In your mind that doesn't change things around as far as his intending to break the law? With your apparent rapid dislike of Americans' I guess not. |
Well, maybe he dislikes Americans. But this accusation is rich because you labeled Canada a 'US Protectorate.'
You're an ugly American, and your behavior is shameful to others in your country. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Man accidently carries weapon into US Protectorate |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
They indeed need to put a fence around America.
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He tried to get the border guards to let him turn around and go back. In your mind that doesn't change things around as far as his intending to break the law? With your apparent rapid dislike of Americans' I guess not. |
Well, maybe he dislikes Americans. But this accusation is rich because you labeled Canada a 'US Protectorate.'
You're an ugly American, and your behavior is shameful to others in your country. |
You're a disgrace to anything that can walk and remotely reason. What about all the stinking Canadians, Brits etc coming online and spewing their anti American filth. Their mindless and a disgrace just like you, to humanity.
Who the **** in their right mind would give a damn about their country being called a protectorate. That is how ridiculous you are. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Man accidently carries weapon into US Protectorate |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| What about all the stinking Canadians, Brits etc coming online and spewing their anti American filth. Their mindless and a disgrace just like you, to humanity. |
If you take issue with them, why do you choose to emulate them? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Who the **** in their right mind would give a damn about their country being called a protectorate. |
It didn't bother me personally, because I can take a joke.
But let's be honest here. You called Canada a "protectorate" because you wanted to get a reaction. So you cannot credibly claim surprise that someone would be peeved at it. |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:34 am Post subject: Re: Man accidently carries weapon into US Protectorate |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
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They indeed need to put a fence around America.
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He tried to get the border guards to let him turn around and go back. In your mind that doesn't change things around as far as his intending to break the law? With your apparent rapid dislike of Americans' I guess not. |
I tried to enter the US with a pound of pot in my car.
I tried to turn my car around but couldn't due to no exits and traffic.
I asked the border guard to let me exit the US and return to my own country but he refused.
He then asked if I had any drugs in my card and I said no.
They searched my car, found the pot and arrested me.
I was charged with making a false statement to the border guard and also with smuggling.
It was so unfair.
I shouldn't have to go to prison for it.
They indeed need to put a fence around America to keep the stupid ones (even if it is only 1 in 10 it still makes for 30 million ignorant jackasses) locked in.
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