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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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I asked around, and it seems to be the average price. I went to the best hospital in my city. I have no visible scar, though. They went in through my navel. Did you have that type of surgery? My mom had an appendectomy a few years before I did and she had a few small scars. I didn't do an ultrasound, but a CT scan, which is more costly.
Also, hospital food is never good, and watching tv and movies does not make it a blast, under any circumstance. |
Yeah, they did the laparoscopic surgery, but I have three small scars. The primary incision was at the belly button. That area was sore for a month and there's a small horizontal scar at the very bottom of my belly button. They did two much smaller incisions much further down on the right and left, about an inch above the pubic hairline. Those left scars too. You can't see a line, but the skin is just a tad darker there. And because of body hair, none of the three scars are very noticeable.
I had a lower abdominal CT scan about a couple of months before the appendectomy and a pulmonary CT scan at a different hospital in Seoul last month, and each one was around 200,000 won after health insurance.
I think what made the hospital food so good was that I hadn't eaten food in around 60 hours. That being said, I was surprised by how well the IV drips kept me from being hungrier than I was. There was a lot of camaraderie in the general ward. I shared a small room with around five Korean guys and their families. There was a lot of joking around and laughing. The main reason I picked the ward instead of a private room was I thought it would be safer with other people around if I had some sort of problem arise. But it actually ended up being so much more fun having all the others around. By the last day, it was just me and one other guy, and although he was cool it wasn't as fun as when the room was packed. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent contribution to the discussion, "+1."
Can you elaborate on that? |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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I would argue that when you are born you are as close to your mother as you can possibly be.
When I travelled in India I got really sick, the sickest I have ever been. I was travelling alone and was shivering and sweating and passing in and out of consciousness, alone in the room I was staying. I was pretty out of it.
The French couple next door were worried as they hadn't seen me for a few days and got the manager to open my door. They took me to the hospital and either the dude or his wife sat with me for the next few days. I remember waking up for a few moments and the women was holding my hand. In my fever addled state, that feeling of someone caring enough to be with me filled me with indescribable comfort.
You are right we do die alone, but I hope she had a friend or a co-worker or even a stranger to be with her. |
Cabeza,
In emergency service first aid, we are encouraged to speak and encourage those victims who are not conscious.
There is testimony of victims who were unconscious and who received such vocal encouragement from police officers, fire fighters or good Samaritans, and have reported how important it was to them during their injury. While unconscious, it seems that the casualties can hear or feel the warmth and encouragement, and that it indeed makes a difference. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Back on topic. Hopefully Andrea Godina's tragic story will serve as a catalyst, and remind others about the importance of obtaining supplementary medical insurance. While it is clearly evident that additional medical coverage would not have saved Andrea's life, at least it would have mitigated the financial burden on her family, and bring about an expedited repatriation. |
How foolish and gullible you are.
The family demanded a whole body for burial and the hospital could not comply with the demand. The body was cremated according to regulation, due to presence of virus.
The cost of airfreight transport for a body in a casket is orders of magnitude more than for a container of ashes.
Orders of magnitude means at minimum 10 X higher.
For international transport of a body, a zinc lined, hermetically sealed casket is required by regulation. This is an additional expense.
The cost of burial is much higher than the cost of cremation.
The family had the desire and intent to travel to Korea, retrieve the body, buy a casket, transport the body and casket internationally, and further transport the body and casket to a funeral facility, and later to a burial plot in USA.
A burial plot in USA is another additional expense of thousands of dollars.
What do you think the family expected to happen to the body after the hospital released the body, whether or not the hospital bill was paid?
But the family did not have the ability to pay the hospital bill?
The story doesn't add up. The topic here is how gullible you and others are. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=D45A2C7A070EC9C1B5903D35D2301462
Reverse Pneumonia in 3 Hours
NaturalHealth365.com presents Dr. Andrew Saul, an internationally-recognized expert in nutritional therapies and Jonathan Landsman talking about a simple, yet powerful way to cure pneumonia in 3 hours - naturally.
Dr. Saul reveals (2) incredible stories of recovery - from serious health problems - without the use of toxic medications or risky surgical procedures. One story is about how to reverse viral pneumonia and the other illustrates the healing power of nutritional supplements for babies. After listening to this video - you'll never look at the seasonal flu shot the same - again. |
Unfortunately, curing your gullibility will likely take longer than 3 hours.
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Hmm, gullible, what a coincidence, I wrote the same about you... |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
I asked around, and it seems to be the average price. I went to the best hospital in my city. I have no visible scar, though. They went in through my navel. Did you have that type of surgery? My mom had an appendectomy a few years before I did and she had a few small scars. I didn't do an ultrasound, but a CT scan, which is more costly.
Also, hospital food is never good, and watching tv and movies does not make it a blast, under any circumstance. |
Yeah, they did the laparoscopic surgery, but I have three small scars. The primary incision was at the belly button. That area was sore for a month and there's a small horizontal scar at the very bottom of my belly button. They did two much smaller incisions much further down on the right and left, about an inch above the pubic hairline. Those left scars too. You can't see a line, but the skin is just a tad darker there. And because of body hair, none of the three scars are very noticeable.
I had a lower abdominal CT scan about a couple of months before the appendectomy and a pulmonary CT scan at a different hospital in Seoul last month, and each one was around 200,000 won after health insurance.
I think what made the hospital food so good was that I hadn't eaten food in around 60 hours. That being said, I was surprised by how well the IV drips kept me from being hungrier than I was. There was a lot of camaraderie in the general ward. I shared a small room with around five Korean guys and their families. There was a lot of joking around and laughing. The main reason I picked the ward instead of a private room was I thought it would be safer with other people around if I had some sort of problem arise. But it actually ended up being so much more fun having all the others around. By the last day, it was just me and one other guy, and although he was cool it wasn't as fun as when the room was packed. |
The newer surgery probably added to the cost, but I've got no complaints. They only made the one incision in my navel, instead of the older technique of 3 incisions. I went with the private 2-bed room, and only shared with an old grandma, so I got some peace. I let her have control of the TV, because I have an unlimited data plan on my phone, and could stream American cable via slingplayer, so I watched a lot of TV that way. The grandma's family helped me out a couple of times, which was great, but I liked the peace of the smaller room. When I left, my husband (then boyfriend) got them a box of juice bottles to thank them.
Honestly, I don't think I could have handled a room with 5 other people. I passed those rooms while I was walking around for exercise, and they were really noisy at all times of the day. Also, I was really grumpy, as it was during vacation and most of my friends were out of the country, so I probably would have shouted at someone to shut up. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
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| I guess Korean medical insurance don't cover repatriating a body for a foreigner on a working visa... Good to know. |
I doubt she had health insurance since the bill was $13,900.
In December, the doctors thought I had either TB or pneumonia (it was pneumonia) and I had three chest x-rays, three sputum tests, and a CT scan. My total costs were less than $500 since I have health insurance. Even when I was hospitalized for three days for an appendectomy last year, national health insurance covered 100% of the stay in the general ward.
Make sure you have health insurance, folks. |
It was the same with me when I was in the hospital for about a month. If it wasn't for by wife, I would have been in a world of trouble.
It could have been the fact that she was in some sort of ICU area where there is much more intensive/expensive care, as she was so ill?
My wife was in hospital 2 weeks ago. I was pretty shocked how little the nurses or doctors did for the patients. If my sister in law and me weren't there she would have been on her own. (Not saying this is the norm, it was my first real experience with the Korean health system)
It's so sad to think of someone being totally alone as they are dying. I hope someone was with her. |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
My wife was in hospital 2 weeks ago. I was pretty shocked how little the nurses or doctors did for the patients. If my sister in law and me weren't there she would have been on her own. (Not saying this is the norm, it was my first real experience with the Korean health system) |
It more or less is the norm, isn't it? When my wife was pregnant and in the maternity ward, all the women there were attended by their families. I was under the impression that if possible Koreans would rather attend to their family members themselves. Whether that's a matter of sentimentality or a concern for the extra costs involved in more attention from nurses, I don't know. |
In my understanding, the nurses here don't take care of the patients like they seem to where we're from. My FIL had an accident at his place of work and had to spend quite a bit of time in the hospital. The hospital was pretty far from any extended family members and his wife has her own issues where she couldn't stay with him. My wife couldn't stay with him because of work, and his other daughter couldn't either. My wife had to arrange, and pay for, someone to be there with him all the time. I remember asking my wife why the nurses don't take care of him but she never really told me why, or I've forgotten the answer. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, hospital food is never good, and watching tv and movies does not make it a blast, under any circumstance. |
I can't help but think of wounded soldiers who said the stay in the hospital is what horrified them the most and did the greatest psychological damage. |
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Redcap
Joined: 03 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Redcap wrote: |
Back on topic. Hopefully Andrea Godina's tragic story will serve as a catalyst, and remind others about the importance of obtaining supplementary medical insurance. While it is clearly evident that additional medical coverage would not have saved Andrea's life, at least it would have mitigated the financial burden on her family, and bring about an expedited repatriation. |
How foolish and gullible you are.
The family demanded a whole body for burial and the hospital could not comply with the demand. The body was cremated according to regulation, due to presence of virus.
The cost of airfreight transport for a body in a casket is orders of magnitude more than for a container of ashes.
Orders of magnitude means at minimum 10 X higher.
For international transport of a body, a zinc lined, hermetically sealed casket is required by regulation. This is an additional expense.
The cost of burial is much higher than the cost of cremation.
The family had the desire and intent to travel to Korea, retrieve the body, buy a casket, transport the body and casket internationally, and further transport the body and casket to a funeral facility, and later to a burial plot in USA.
A burial plot in USA is another additional expense of thousands of dollars.
What do you think the family expected to happen to the body after the hospital released the body, whether or not the hospital bill was paid?
But the family did not have the ability to pay the hospital bill?
The story doesn't add up. The topic here is how gullible you and others are. |
Your blathering on about a casket and body is disproportionate to your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I specifically state that a body was being repatriated.
The industry standard in travel medical insurance is to provide coverage for repatriation after death. Whether it is a body or ashes being repatriated is a moot point- coverage is still provided.
I stand by original comment. If Andrea Godina had taken out a supplementary medical insurance policy, the financial burden on her family would have been minimal, and her repatriation expedited. |
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Redcap
Joined: 03 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| guavashake wrote: |
| Redcap wrote: |
| guavashake wrote: |
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=D45A2C7A070EC9C1B5903D35D2301462
Reverse Pneumonia in 3 Hours
NaturalHealth365.com presents Dr. Andrew Saul, an internationally-recognized expert in nutritional therapies and Jonathan Landsman talking about a simple, yet powerful way to cure pneumonia in 3 hours - naturally.
Dr. Saul reveals (2) incredible stories of recovery - from serious health problems - without the use of toxic medications or risky surgical procedures. One story is about how to reverse viral pneumonia and the other illustrates the healing power of nutritional supplements for babies. After listening to this video - you'll never look at the seasonal flu shot the same - again. |
Unfortunately, curing your gullibility will likely take longer than 3 hours.
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Hmm, gullible, what a coincidence, I wrote the same about you... |
You're the one who posted a dubious 3 hour "cure" for pneumonia. The treatment you posted lacks efficacy, relies heavily on anecdotal "evidence," and is devoid of empirical data.
As far as gullibility is concerned, you seem to have done an admirable job of self-indictment. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Redcap wrote: |
| guavashake wrote: |
| Redcap wrote: |
| guavashake wrote: |
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=D45A2C7A070EC9C1B5903D35D2301462
Reverse Pneumonia in 3 Hours
NaturalHealth365.com presents Dr. Andrew Saul, an internationally-recognized expert in nutritional therapies and Jonathan Landsman talking about a simple, yet powerful way to cure pneumonia in 3 hours - naturally.
Dr. Saul reveals (2) incredible stories of recovery - from serious health problems - without the use of toxic medications or risky surgical procedures. One story is about how to reverse viral pneumonia and the other illustrates the healing power of nutritional supplements for babies. After listening to this video - you'll never look at the seasonal flu shot the same - again. |
Unfortunately, curing your gullibility will likely take longer than 3 hours.
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Hmm, gullible, what a coincidence, I wrote the same about you... |
You're the one who posted a dubious 3 hour "cure" for pneumonia. The treatment you posted lacks efficacy, relies heavily on anecdotal "evidence," and is devoid of empirical data.
As far as gullibility is concerned, you seem to have done an admirable job of self-indictment. |
America's healthcare system is the third leading cause of death
http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm
Doctors and hospitals kill nearly a quarter MILLION people annually.
The majority of the deaths are caused by the "efficacy", "anecdotal evidence" and "empirical data" of pharmaceutical drugs.
80,000 of the annual deaths are from infections that are a result of being a hospital patient.
Linus Pauling, a pioneer in vitamin C research and proponent of high dosage vitamin C therapy was the only person to be awarded two unshared Nobel Prizes. Pauling is also one of only two people to be awarded Nobel Prizes in different fields, the other being Marie Curie.
What are your credentials? (rhetorical question)
You = foolish and gullible person |
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