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IamBabo
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 Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:24 am Post subject: You need religion for a job? |
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A couple of recent job ads for unis have said that you need to be Christian to work there. Isn't that against the Korean Constitution to say you need to be part of a specific religious group to obtain employment? Does it matter that they are private unis?
Just curious.. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:24 am Post subject: |
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It's not a violation if the university happens to be run by a faith group and considers part of the faculty's duties to be exemplifying their faith group's teachings.
Now, if the university were a public university and had that requirement, it'd be a different story. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:50 am Post subject: |
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^Cute. No, really. I laughed, too!
Well, the religious group running the school evidently considers it to be a ministry of some kind for their school and they can very well require members of the ministry to be members of their religious group. Hey, they can even require students who don't happen to be members of their group to attend their services as a condition of acceptance to the school. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Just make sure to be clear if they are a Christian school (or university) whether or not you are required to perform a prayer in class. I found myself in this predicament. While I have no problem with a Christian school, if it requires praying then I won't do it.
Last edited by Milwaukiedave on Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:43 am; edited 1 time in total |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I guess finding religion could perhaps make a person a better job candidate in some cases  |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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I got one job where I replaced a teacher was a LDS. No work on Fridays  |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Just make sure to be clear if they are a Christian school (or university) whether or not you are required to perform a prayer in class. I found myself in this predicament. While I have no problem with a Christian school, if it requires class then I won't do it. |
You found a teaching job that doesn't require class? Awesome! I think you meant it didn't require prayer. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| I got one job where I replaced a teacher was a LDS. No work on Fridays |
I give up. Why no work on Fridays? The LDS Sabbath is Sunday. |
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Smithington
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I always get a laugh out of universities (supposedly places of higher education) insisting that ignorance, gullibility, and the inability to think critically, are what they're ideally looking for in their prospective teachers. Not only that, some ESL teacher with a four year degree will take the job then start fancying himself a 'professor'....at a school that teaches its students the earth is 5000 years old and all the world's woes come from a rib-woman being tricked (by a talking snake) into eating a poisoned apple (from a magical tree).
Time to break out the pipe and the rimmed glasses. Because I'm a professor now.  |
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faeriehazel
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Even in the US, educational institutions run by religious groups are allowed to hire based on faith.
Yonsei University, ostensibly one of the most prestigious unis in Korea, requires all students to take a "Chapel" class if they want to graduate (or they used to when I was in uni, anyway; dunno if they've changed anything in the meantime). |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| faeriehazel wrote: |
Even in the US, educational institutions run by religious groups are allowed to hire based on faith.
Yonsei University, ostensibly one of the most prestigious unis in Korea, requires all students to take a "Chapel" class if they want to graduate (or they used to when I was in uni, anyway; dunno if they've changed anything in the meantime). |
Yonsei's teacher app had questions about religion, what church you went to etc. Most of the protestant run univs require some sort of church info and the evangelical run schools require pastors letters etc
At my second to last univ. the univ chaplain was involved in the interview asking about religion etc. I took the job after bs'ing them since they didn't require the foreign faculty to attend chapel. They did require all the students and Korean faculty to go, my students told me they would just sleep through it. Turned out at that school the president was pushed out after being caught using univ funds on hookers in the Philippines |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| faeriehazel wrote: |
Even in the US, educational institutions run by religious groups are allowed to hire based on faith.
Yonsei University, ostensibly one of the most prestigious unis in Korea, requires all students to take a "Chapel" class if they want to graduate (or they used to when I was in uni, anyway; dunno if they've changed anything in the meantime). |
That's just sad. Instilling "correct thinking" in students is the last thing universities should be about. And if a university is more concerned about turning out devout Christians (Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Scientologists, etc.) than teaching students how to think, evaluate and crtique data about the world, then it is a university in name only. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
That's just sad. Instilling "correct thinking" in students is the last thing universities should be about. |
I don't entirely agree with the sentence, although what you are thinking of I probably agree with. Moral imperatives can be considered correct thinking and perhaps should be taught. This is why I think religion especially Christianity is important, even though I don't believe in the supernatural tenants of Christianity. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
I always get a laugh out of universities (supposedly places of higher education) insisting that ignorance, gullibility, and the inability to think critically, are what they're ideally looking for in their prospective teachers. Not only that, some ESL teacher with a four year degree will take the job then start fancying himself a 'professor'....at a school that teaches its students the earth is 5000 years old and all the world's woes come from a rib-woman being tricked (by a talking snake) into eating a poisoned apple (from a magical tree).
Time to break out the pipe and the rimmed glasses. Because I'm a professor now. |
Your post demonstrates a fair amount of ignorance. Not all church-run universities are Christian Fundamentalist Literalist outfits. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Just make sure to be clear if they are a Christian school (or university) whether or not you are required to perform a prayer in class. I found myself in this predicament. While I have no problem with a Christian school, if it requires class then I won't do it. |
You found a teaching job that doesn't require class? Awesome! I think you meant it didn't require prayer. |
Fixed, I obviously was tired when I wrote that. |
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