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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:46 am    Post subject: Meds and Customs Reply with quote

My friend who's in the UK right now wanted me to ask some questions for him (he doesn't have a Dave's account - I think he was banned for getting into a mudslinging contest or something). He actually wrote out my post for me in an email, but I figured I'll just copy it here and hope to get some info to help him out:


My friend has taught in Korea for over 8 years and recently China for 16 months. He had a long term problem with insomnia and in China was prescribed 3mg Clonazepam which is benzodiazepine and 150mg Seroquel which is an anti psychotic although he is not pyschotic and the combination basically let him have sleep at night.

So he has no issues with coping in Korea, it seems from research he has done, emailing the International clinic in itaewon he would not fail the immi medical test in Korea and once in Korea they would have no problem prescribing them for him monthly..

In China he traveled in and out of the country twice with his meds in his carry-on, which was scanned etc and was never even asked about them.

If he had them in his carry on in small amounts and with a copy of his prescription from his UK GP as proof they are not recreational is it possible

A. They (Korean airport customs officials) would even bother asking about them if they saw a couple of blister packs of pills in his carry on luggage

B. If they did see them in his carry on and asked what they were and what for and he had the prescription from his UK GP - would they let him in country?

His main worry is he could be turned away and given an exit order, which would mean returning to no job as he would have left his job in the UK and having wasted a significant portion of money on the flight.

So, again, he doesn't need any warnings about coping in Korea as he has been there for over 8 years and knows the score socially and knows the job and the pressures etc. He has been informed that they would not cause a problem with the med test but the international clinic he emailed in Itaewon who told him so - said they were not sure about the getting through customs issue so he simply needs to know if he can take these meds in the country or not if the airport customs / immi people saw them and asked about them.

That is the main question.

Has anyone bought similar meds into Korea? Does anyone know if these meds are allowed through customs?

Cheers
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Hokie21



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy crap that is a serious dose/combo for something like insomnia! That's a pretty heavy duty anti-psychotic (I know all about it I used to sell it for AZ) and Klonopin is a fairly heavy duty muscle relaxer. Sounds like serious overkill to me, not to mention the drug interactions between the two are pretty well noted....combining two sedatives, one of which at a fairly high dose.

As far as I know both of those drugs are available in Korea (I'm almost positive Seroquel is) so as long as he has a prescription and says it's for sleep he should be OK. A note from the doctor could probably help also.

I'd be more worried about his health though, you sure he's only having trouble sleeping? Seroquel is a heavily abused drug sometimes referred to as "Ambien for Coke Heads" because people take it to come down from coke/heroin binges, it's that strong.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. I've known the guy for years, although I haven't seen him in a few. He's a good dude, but seems very nervous about this med issue.

Question: Would any of them go well with makkeoli? Maybe I could pry one two out of him when he gets here.....just kidding Confused
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Hokie21



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Interesting. I've known the guy for years, although I haven't seen him in a few. He's a good dude, but seems very nervous about this med issue.

Question: Would any of them go well with makkeoli? Maybe I could pry one two out of him when he gets here.....just kidding Confused


I know you're kidding around but I wouldn't touch the stuff. If you took one and washed it down with a beer then you had better hope you're already in bed because you're now in a race against the clock to stay conscious.

Seroquel is an atypical anti-psychotic, primarily used for Bipolar and Schizophrenia, it's pretty much used to keep you from going manic.... but I had a lot of doctors who used it in nursing homes because it basically knocks you the hell out. I'm talking about people taking on Friday night and waking up Sunday afternoon. Coke and Meth addicts use it to level themselves out, it's not a drug to fool around with. I've read about people being Rx'd Seroquel simply for insomnia (though it is not indicated for that) but they were using 25//50 MG. Using 150MG alone for insomnia is nuts IMO...and that's not even taking into consideration the Klonopins.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie21 wrote:
I'm talking about people taking on Friday night and waking up Sunday afternoon.


I read that and immediately thought about all the money I could have saved in my life if I had been on those.

Anyway, again interesting info Hokie. So, you think he should just get a doctor's note and it should be fine with regards to customs? I let him know I made a thread here about this, so I assume he'll be reading it to see what people have to say.
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Hokie21



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
I'm talking about people taking on Friday night and waking up Sunday afternoon.


I read that and immediately thought about all the money I could have saved in my life if I had been on those.

Anyway, again interesting info Hokie. So, you think he should just get a doctor's note and it should be fine with regards to customs? I let him know I made a thread here about this, so I assume he'll be reading it to see what people have to say.


Yeah its an interesting drug.

There have been some previous threads on Dave's regarding Seroquel and it seems to be fine to bring in. It is a controlled substance (in the US at least) so as long as he's got a doctors note I don't see the problem as it seems to be available in Korea as well. I've traveled with prescriptions in and out of Korea on a few occasions and was never asked about them before. I think he'll be fine.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I have another friend here who works in corporate relocation who made a few phone calls and it seems like you're right that it should be no problem. I can understand being nervous, though, if I was hanging everything up in my home country and facing the prospect of being shot down by immigration. That would obviously suck pretty bad.

On a positive note, I'm looking forward to seeing him and I hope he can land a decent job.
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Hokie21



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Yeah, I have another friend here who works in corporate relocation who made a few phone calls and it seems like you're right that it should be no problem. I can understand being nervous, though, if I was hanging everything up in my home country and facing the prospect of being shot down by immigration. That would obviously suck pretty bad.

On a positive note, I'm looking forward to seeing him and I hope he can land a decent job.


Korea hasn't really caught up to the west regarding mental health issues so the stigma is very real and the consequences can be severe for someone coming over on an E-2 to teach. If I were him I wouldn't be telling anyone that I was taking either of those medications as neither are indicated to treat insomnia. I should also point out that the possible side-effects of Seroquel can be a heck of a lot more serious than insomnia (not to minimize that disorder) but if I were him I'd be looking to get off that ASAP. Best of luck to him though.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear you - I'm not a fan of relying on meds to get through life, but I also drink and smoke (just cigs in Korea!) a lot so who am I to judge?

I've casually known quite a few people who were "pill-heads" back in the States (not to say the label applies to my friend), and prescription drugs - when abused - scramble peoples' gourds. Seriously, I think they alter the brain chemistry, and not in a good way. Good judgement seems to fly out the window.

My buddy will probably not appreciate the direction of our conversation as he's not nuts (well, not any more than most people).
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Hokie21



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in no way accusing your buddy if abusing his meds or being a pill popper, I'm simply saying I'd be careful on them. That's coming from someone who made a living from selling one of them for years and also as someone who has taken sleeping aids in the past.

Those are two drugs which have a high street value/use...and there is a reason for that.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I didn't think you were - I could just envision him perhaps being defensive. I remember him talking years back about having trouble getting to sleep, so I know he had a legitimate reason to seek help.

For me, I just wonder about the side effects of using prescription medication and if the benefits outweigh the negatives. I guess it's a case-by-case basis, but as a person skeptical of Big Pharma I'm biased against taking pills when other, more natural measures could alleviate the problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
No, I didn't think you were - I could just envision him perhaps being defensive. I remember him talking years back about having trouble getting to sleep, so I know he had a legitimate reason to seek help.

For me, I just wonder about the side effects of using prescription medication and if the benefits outweigh the negatives. I guess it's a case-by-case basis, but as a person skeptical of Big Pharma I'm biased against taking pills when other, more natural measures could alleviate the problem.


Seroquel side effects.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-4718-Seroquel+Oral.aspx?drugid=4718&drugname=Seroquel+Oral&pagenumber=6

It's a serious drug used to treat a very serious disease. If you read the list you'll see why using this to treat insomnia is overkill.

BTW if you're worried about him getting defensive you could probably delete this thread now that you have your answer right?
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I like the thread. He can get back to me later and tell me how ignorant/misinformed I am (I have a thick skin Smile

Thanks, Hokie.
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Lucas



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
and Klonopin is a fairly heavy duty muscle relaxer.


Does that make hip crap the bed?
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Hokie21



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucas wrote:
Quote:
and Klonopin is a fairly heavy duty muscle relaxer.


Does that make hip crap the bed?


Side effects include diarrhea and constipation.

Oh and insomnia.
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