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misher
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If uni jobs paid a real salary (ie 65+million won a year) then I'd agree that teaching at a uni would be a great job.
However in reality this isn't the case. I don't care how much vacation you get. The pay downright sucks.
Oh you can do camps and corporates because your hours are low and you have vacation? Well then yes you'll make a decent salary. But then you're working 40 hours like the rest of us and having the stress of commuting between different jobs, dealing with all the issues one job would give x2 x3.
Show me a uni job that has 12 contact hours a week, 20 weeks vacation and pays 5-6 million Won a month. No publication pressure or BS commitee work either. You know one of those dream "I work an 18 hour week MAX and take off to Thailand for 3 months" type jobs that esl uni teachers like to brag about.
You either get paid decently but have to work for it and have the pieces of paper or BS "qualifications" some on here like to bang on about, OR you have a uni job that requires very little BUT PAYS VERY LITTLE. Anyone who says otherwise is completely full of shit. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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Jodami Let me start by asking
When did you get the power to know where anyone has gone , worked or done? Or what anyone's qualifications are?
seems i you didn't read my question correctly.
Shall we repeat the question above:
What do Korean universities pay nowadays? (Anyone can go to the job board for an answer) Going to make a lot of money are we?
Jodami wrote:
A millionaire? huh 
As I wrote above:
You can avoid this IF you have a PHD and it is also true that working in Korea is better than Wall Mart but for those just getting out of college, but basically the in between between those two extremes in Korea is rapidly disappearing if it isn't already gone.
Yes, you can pretty much write off teaching in Korea if you need a salary any greater that what is needed to support a single person unless one has a PHD.
“Ethics at Korean universities” Questionable.
Jodami here is some advice : Just cause your university hasn't turned on you yet doesn't mean they aren't going to. |
Quite the little rant GENO. 
As I mentioned before, Jodami was making 6K+ a month regularly at my former uni, a place I worked at for 6 years. Jodami has since left Korea and the uni life, to move onto MUCH MUCH bigger and better things.
Geno you need to get your game together, or you'll continue to be just another bitter, Cass swigging, bottom feeding Dave's esler. You hearing me yet Geno? 
Now Geno, puurrrrlease, don't tell me that you're also Canadian?  |
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Jodami wrote: |
| As I mentioned before, Jodami was making 6K+ a month regularly at my former uni, a place I worked at for 6 years. Jodami has since left Korea and the uni life, to move onto MUCH MUCH bigger and better things |
Like hanging around in your parents basement in your underwear posting on ESLCafe? |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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If uni jobs paid a real salary (ie 65+million won a year) then I'd agree that teaching at a uni would be a great job.
However in reality this isn't the case. I don't care how much vacation you get. The pay downright sucks.
Oh you can do camps and corporates because your hours are low and you have vacation? Well then yes you'll make a decent salary. But then you're working 40 hours like the rest of us and having the stress of commuting between different jobs, dealing with all the issues one job would give x2 x3.
Show me a uni job that has 12 contact hours a week, 20 weeks vacation and pays 5-6 million Won a month. No publication pressure or BS commitee work either. You know one of those dream "I work an 18 hour week MAX and take off to Thailand for 3 months" type jobs that esl uni teachers like to brag about.
You either get paid decently but have to work for it and have the pieces of paper or BS "qualifications" some on here like to bang on about, OR you have a uni job that requires very little BUT PAYS VERY LITTLE. Anyone who says otherwise is completely full of shit. |
Well, I think you are asking too much. If you want to get paid that much you are going to work for it through research or publications. There are quite a few foreign profs at my uni doing that work, but the majority of their work is doing publications as far as I know.
For the rest of the people, you are right. The pay is pretty decent at my place, but we do work for it. Lots of prep work/office hours involved.
On the other end of the spectrum, I have seen many of the small universities offering crap pay for basically doing hakwon level work. That would suck. |
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Hyeon In
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| misher wrote: |
If uni jobs paid a real salary (ie 65+million won a year) then I'd agree that teaching at a uni would be a great job.
However in reality this isn't the case. I don't care how much vacation you get. The pay downright sucks.
Oh you can do camps and corporates because your hours are low and you have vacation? Well then yes you'll make a decent salary. But then you're working 40 hours like the rest of us and having the stress of commuting between different jobs, dealing with all the issues one job would give x2 x3.
Show me a uni job that has 12 contact hours a week, 20 weeks vacation and pays 5-6 million Won a month. No publication pressure or BS commitee work either. You know one of those dream "I work an 18 hour week MAX and take off to Thailand for 3 months" type jobs that esl uni teachers like to brag about.
You either get paid decently but have to work for it and have the pieces of paper or BS "qualifications" some on here like to bang on about, OR you have a uni job that requires very little BUT PAYS VERY LITTLE. Anyone who says otherwise is completely full of shit. |
By those standards, EVERY teaching job in Korea would be unacceptably bad.
A good hagwon job? Not even close to what you suggested.
An international school job? You might hit the salary, but you'd be working a lot harder than what you want.
A corporate non-teaching job - you'd hit the salary, but you'd work stupid hours.
Uni jobs - If you are tenure track and got about a decade experience you might make most of your requirements - but they're probably going to want you to publish and do a bunch of other admin work. (And if you have this kind of job in N.America or Europe, you better budget for a LOT more admin work.)
I think you live in a fairyland in terms of job expectations. If you want to earn lots of money you have to work hard. If you want a slack time with lots of holidays, you'll be lucky to do better than 3.5 a month. (I'm on 3.5 with 20 weeks vac, EVERYONE I know earning more works MUCH harder - whether inside or outside of education. Even profs like PRagic have to publish or do admin work outside of scheduled hours...) |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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= 3.5 w/o severence . housing or airfare |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Hyeon In wrote: |
| Most of the last ten years though I've been working for Korean universities. Cruisy, fun, but no real money and no real future. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Hyeon In wrote: |
| Most of the last ten years though I've been working for Korean universities. Cruisy, fun, but no real money and no real future. |
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Nowadays more and more Korean universities are no longer fun - either . So now it is no fun, no real money and no real future. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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More paperwork, more grading of papers, pressure to/requirements to publish, longer hours, low salaries, etc. make it less of good deal compared to before.
The thing is conditions will continue to deteriorate. Why? Because unis can ask for more with no additional compensation. Why can they? Because so many people invested in teaching in ESL as a career path (for so long) that they are not qualified to do anything else. They have no choice but to go along with the new changes.
Skill sets which are both rare and in demand command the highest compensation/bargaining leverage.
Being a Western native speaker of the English language in country, including those with qualifications, is neither (compared to what it was in the past). |
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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Being a Western native speaker of the English language in country, including those with qualifications, is neither (compared to what it was in the past). |
yawn |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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I have heard from someone who knows much about what is happening with the Korean Education System, that some areas in Korea do not allow classes for Children to be taught at universities because this causes financial problems for hagwans. He says that one day it may become a national law that no universities in Korea will be allowed to have classes for kids.
We all know that ttompatz is our immigration expert. I wonder if he knows anything about this. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| He says that one day it may become a national law that no universities in Korea will be allowed to have classes for kids. |
It's already a law (according to a post on the 'Foreign Professors in Korea' Facebook page). |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Yep, our uni's children's program was forced to close starting this semester due to government regulations.
If it really is to protect hagwons, it's a bloody joke. Even though I don't teach in it, I know that our program was very well run, with very good teachers getting good results. But actually encouraging quality English education seems to be beside the point as long as the government can continue the ridiculous protectionism of unproductive, inept sectors of the economy. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| misher wrote: |
If uni jobs paid a real salary (ie 65+million won a year) then I'd agree that teaching at a uni would be a great job.
However in reality this isn't the case. I don't care how much vacation you get. The pay downright sucks.
Oh you can do camps and corporates because your hours are low and you have vacation? Well then yes you'll make a decent salary. But then you're working 40 hours like the rest of us and having the stress of commuting between different jobs, dealing with all the issues one job would give x2 x3.
Show me a uni job that has 12 contact hours a week, 20 weeks vacation and pays 5-6 million Won a month. No publication pressure or BS commitee work either. You know one of those dream "I work an 18 hour week MAX and take off to Thailand for 3 months" type jobs that esl uni teachers like to brag about.
You either get paid decently but have to work for it and have the pieces of paper or BS "qualifications" some on here like to bang on about, OR you have a uni job that requires very little BUT PAYS VERY LITTLE. Anyone who says otherwise is completely full of shit. |
misher,
You'd have to be Korean to receive a salary and benefits like that. Even with a doctorate and active involvement in your field, Korean universities would only put you on a contract and pay you as a contract worker - forget summer & winter bonuses or generous annual research allowances or promotions, raises and other social benefits.
Korea is what it is. All this talk about the 21st Century, etc., is what it is - bullshit. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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Chad from Saskatchewan or Scott from Ontario,
Get a sex change and the Korean oyster is yours! |
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