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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Stain wrote: |
| All the clownery..games...and qualified teaching techniques won't make many Korean students want to learn it |
Then you must be doing them wrong.
| Steelrails wrote: |
| the only people I've met who consistently speak the second language they learned in school at a decent level are the Saffas with Afrikaans. |
That's because they learn it at home, either from one native English-speaking parent, or at latest from about the age of 3.
Yes its their second language.. but only just. The two languages exist very closely side-by side. English has always been dominant language of the country. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| All the clownery..games...and qualified teaching techniques won't make many Korean students want to learn it |
Then you must be doing them wrong.
| Steelrails wrote: |
| the only people I've met who consistently speak the second language they learned in school at a decent level are the Saffas with Afrikaans. |
That's because they learn it at home, either from one native English-speaking parent, or at latest from about the age of 3.
Yes its their second language.. but only just. The two languages exist very closely side-by side. English has always been dominant language of the country. |
Maybe I should have clarified that I was talking about middle school age students and up. Sure, games and good teaching strategies work for younger kids. The older they get and the more they have to study the more unmotivated they become. It makes sense. And all the qualifications and experience you apply to them doesn't change the fact that they just want to go home, eat something, and relax. The number one answer I've gotten from these kids regarding their hobby is sleeping. That's their favorite thing to do. |
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jkrishnamurtidotorg
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| I don't know about you, but of all the bilingual people I've ever met, they either were born into a bilingual environment or mostly taught themselves. I've never met anyone who's learned a second language just by sitting in a classroom. If the student isn't doing a ton of studying on their own they aren't going to succeed. Not everyone is cut out for second language learning. It's a waste of resources to spend time on people who aren't committed to it. . |
Haven't met too many people from Northern/Eastern Europe, Russia, Singapore, India, South Africa, Quebec, Malaysia or a multitude of other places that do the vast majority of their L2/L3 learning at school?
Take the average university student from Korea and compare them to the average uni student from some equally affluent nation in Europe where English isnt the L1. Look at the spending disparity and wonder in awe how in the world the average Korean is as bad at English as they truly are. |
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Stan Rogers
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"It also prohibits universities from giving entrance exam questions that are not included in the high school curriculum."
I totally agree with this decision. The system up to this point discriminated against the poor who can't afford to take the extra classes needed to get a higher score on the entrance exam. |
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candy bar
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| So, is English education going the way of the dodo bird? |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| candy bar wrote: |
| So, is English education going the way of the dodo bird? |
Yup, its all over. Time to pack your bags and head for the airport. |
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
"It also prohibits universities from giving entrance exam questions that are not included in the high school curriculum."
I totally agree with this decision. The system up to this point discriminated against the poor who can't afford to take the extra classes needed to get a higher score on the entrance exam. |
I disagree. The rich shouldn't be penalized for their success.
Why dumb down the system for the lazy slackers? If I work hard and put in extra hours so my kids can benefit from the fruits of my labor, and my kids do the same for their kids, I see no reason in being penalized for the efforts.
I don't have a problem with someone making more money than me and having the opportunity to pursue better things because of a higher income. Likewise, don't penalize me because of my higher income.
No, everyone shouldn't get a medal just for participating in the elementary track and field contest. Reward those who win! Let the lazy fat slackers go home empty handed with their self esteem damaged, and EAT CAKE, literally. |
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Rockhard
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Rockhard wrote: |
| I don't know about you, but of all the bilingual people I've ever met, they either were born into a bilingual environment or mostly taught themselves. I've never met anyone who's learned a second language just by sitting in a classroom. If the student isn't doing a ton of studying on their own they aren't going to succeed. Not everyone is cut out for second language learning. It's a waste of resources to spend time on people who aren't committed to it. . |
Haven't met too many people from Northern/Eastern Europe, Russia, Singapore, India, South Africa, Quebec, Malaysia or a multitude of other places that do the vast majority of their L2/L3 learning at school?
Take the average university student from Korea and compare them to the average uni student from some equally affluent nation in Europe where English isnt the L1. Look at the spending disparity and wonder in awe how in the world the average Korean is as bad at English as they truly are. |
As if learning English for a French person was the equivalent of learning English for a Korean. You know, it's comments like these that really make me question how any of you completed university. English and French are practically dialects of each other, sharing 30%+ of their vocabulary, nearly identical grammar, and the same alphabet. It's not at all comparable. |
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Chia Pet
Joined: 23 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:50 am Post subject: Re: more |
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| jkrishnamurtidotorg wrote: |
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20140218001453
Assembly panel passes bill banning ‘advanced learning’ |
That's interesting. I think that's a ban on hagwons specifically focusing on material in the public school curriculum to give students an edge on public school exams. It's not a ban on all extracurricular learning. But how will the government stop hagwons from discretely or indirectly preparing students for exams?
In general, a kid will learn English better at a good hagwon than at a public school. The small class size, regular homework and testing, and leveled curriculum of a hagwon are huge advantages. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| candy bar wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
"It also prohibits universities from giving entrance exam questions that are not included in the high school curriculum."
I totally agree with this decision. The system up to this point discriminated against the poor who can't afford to take the extra classes needed to get a higher score on the entrance exam. |
I disagree. The rich shouldn't be penalized for their success.
Why dumb down the system for the lazy slackers? If I work hard and put in extra hours so my kids can benefit from the fruits of my labor, and my kids do the same for their kids, I see no reason in being penalized for the efforts.
I don't have a problem with someone making more money than me and having the opportunity to pursue better things because of a higher income. Likewise, don't penalize me because of my higher income.
No, everyone shouldn't get a medal just for participating in the elementary track and field contest. Reward those who win! Let the lazy fat slackers go home empty handed with their self esteem damaged, and EAT CAKE, literally. |
LOL. Are you for real? Did you cut and paste that from FOX News? |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| candy bar wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
"It also prohibits universities from giving entrance exam questions that are not included in the high school curriculum."
I totally agree with this decision. The system up to this point discriminated against the poor who can't afford to take the extra classes needed to get a higher score on the entrance exam. |
I disagree. The rich shouldn't be penalized for their success.
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I'm actually not sure if that was a troll post or not. But anyway, it doesn't seem like they're going to penalize the rich for their success. Rather, this bill would STOP penalizing the poor (or rather CHILDREN of the poor) for their lack of success. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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I have to go along with candybar on this one.
I have worked hard and put in long hours. My daughter will be continuing to get the best education I can provide for her.
Now for you folks out there crusading for the Babies Daddies (mama with 6 babies by 4 fathers) or daddy wants to only work or teach 30 hours a week (or avoid all work possible) with little motivation to prosper from your own sweat,  don't let the door hit you on your way out. |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| wooden nickels wrote: |
| Now for you folks out there crusading for the Babies Daddies (mama with 6 babies by 4 fathers) or daddy wants to only work or teach 30 hours a week (or avoid all work possible) with little motivation to prosper from your own sweat, don't let the door hit you on your way out. |
...can you rephrase this? |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| wanderkind wrote: |
| wooden nickels wrote: |
| Now for you folks out there crusading for the Babies Daddies (mama with 6 babies by 4 fathers) or daddy wants to only work or teach 30 hours a week (or avoid all work possible) with little motivation to prosper from your own sweat, don't let the door hit you on your way out. |
...can you rephrase this? |
lol |
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