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A fitting analogy for ESL in Korea
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
I'm trying to learn and contribute new information/have a discussion. Interested in doing that? E-battles (lacking insight/universal relevance) are lame and boring (a waste of time). Let's not go that direction please. Let's talk about making money, the state of the market, strategies to boost one's earnings potential, etc.


Deal.

And my apologies to you for disrespecting you in any way.
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
I'm trying to learn and contribute new information/have a discussion. Interested in doing that? E-battles (lacking insight/universal relevance) are lame and boring (a waste of time). Let's not go that direction please. Let's talk about making money, the state of the market, strategies to boost one's earnings potential, etc.

That's exactly what wooden nickels did and you keep knocking his strategy.

What's your strategy?
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My strategy is to ask people to clarify their strategy so we can all learn from it.

(If you have an idea/strategy I'll listen with an open mind.)
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candy bar



Joined: 03 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
My strategy is to ask people to clarify their strategy so we can all learn from it.

(If you have an idea/strategy I'll listen with an open mind.)


Rolling Eyes And that is what wooden nickels did.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was seeking further clarification, for example how much he charges per hour for privates, etc. Not everything was answered (and remains unanswered) and I was (and am) curious to know and understand more. You too? You are also interested in learning something new/teaching others? Do you have anything meaningful to contribute?
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
I was seeking further clarification, for example how much he charges per hour for privates, etc. Not everything was answered (and remains unanswered) and I was (and am) curious to know and understand more. You too? You are also interested in learning something new/teaching others? Do you have anything meaningful to contribute?


Hi World Traveler

I don't do privates. I do some 1:1 classes at school, though this you may be considering as private. There is a government restriction on charges for grade school students. Thus, I stay within the guidelines to avoid problems. But with adults the rate is pretty much the sky is the limit. Adults can be charged or pay pretty much what they are willing to pay. Sorry, but I never disclose rates unless the person is a prospective student.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wooden nickels wrote:
Adults can be charged or pay pretty much what they are willing to pay.

Yes, I realize that, but how much is this? Like roughly. A ballpark figure.

wooden nickels wrote:
Sorry, but I never disclose rates unless the person is a prospective student.

It's anonymous on the internet. Why would you not want to tell us?
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
wooden nickels wrote:
Adults can be charged or pay pretty much what they are willing to pay.

Yes, I realize that, but how much is this? Like roughly. A ballpark figure.

wooden nickels wrote:
Sorry, but I never disclose rates unless the person is a prospective student.

It's anonymous on the internet. Why would you not want to tell us?


I never give that type of information over the internet. I don't consider anything going over the internet as totally anonymous. I have no desire to post my business records on the internet. That is a private matter.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
wooden nickels wrote:
Your wages might be falling but mine aren't.

wooden nickels wrote:
Maybe it's not easy for you to get work but I'm not having a problem.

Because you have a Korean wife and the F visa. You benefit from a protectionist policy. (That's a big part of it anyway.)




I'm not having a problem either. No Korean wife or F visa here. Can't be all that big a part.

I thought we already went through this before. It's not about having a Korean wife and it's not about having a F-visa.

It's about the person and what he or she is willing to do to make money (legally that is). Yes the E-2 visa is more limiting than the F-visa...but it's not THAT limiting.

If you really want to make money...why not ask around at your school? Offer to do extra classes. Or ask for permission to work at another school if they don't have any extras. Or permission to get another job...say editing textbooks or even making them.
These are a few of the various strategies I've personally employed in the past which worked well for me. Will they work for you? I've no idea as everyone's situation is different. But there's really only one way to find out.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked at an Elementary school, I did evening classes at a high school a block away. The high school had called my school and spoke to the elementary English teacher. Then the principal did paperwork to add the second workplace on my E2 visa (which I had at the time). They paid me either 40K or 50K per hour, I can't remember.

So in my case, they found me for the work. But if there is some way you could ask your school if you could go try to introduce yourself to a nearby school it might be worth a shot.

Had another friend at Elementary teaching after 5pm classes at a nearby middle school.

If the nearby school doesn't have a foreign teacher, you could really have a shot.

[In the case of the high school, it was an English "club" during their "club activity" times.]
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