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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Well, to my eyes Yuna got robbed, but what do I know?
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Kim would have joined legends Katarina Witt and Sonja Henie as the only skaters to win consecutive gold medals in the Ladies’ singles competition and the former East Germany champion didn’t pull any punches in her comments.
"I am stunned by this result, I don't understand the scoring," Witt said on German TV. |
Well, there's a pretty good chance *she* knows what she is talking about. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Adam Carolla wrote: |
Well, to my eyes Yuna got robbed, but what do I know?
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Kim would have joined legends Katarina Witt and Sonja Henie as the only skaters to win consecutive gold medals in the Ladies’ singles competition and the former East Germany champion didn’t pull any punches in her comments.
"I am stunned by this result, I don't understand the scoring," Witt said on German TV. |
Well, there's a pretty good chance *she* knows what she is talking about. |
Yeah Witt was stunned alright. Stunned with joy. Then, to bolster her resume, she adds class to the mix. That being said, I do believe if Yuna went up against the Russian several times that she would win the majority of them, if not all of them. But in the Olympics that doesn't seem to matter. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:13 am Post subject: |
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No, what's obvious is you've really gone off the rails, casey jones, stooping to conspiracy theory just to throw the race card.
That there are no stories about it now just shows that the Orser fans have been following the story for a while and are much bigger figure skating fans then you give them credit for them. It also shows that you're just a johnny come lately to figure skating, a typical bandwagoner.
Why don't you just admit you're wrong, that you're oversensitized to any and all criticism of your fellow Koreans and that you jumped the gun on this one? Why don't you show some real sportsmanship?
And what's with bolding the last statement of every post you make? You don't need to shout if you have a legitimate point. Or are you just that angry? |
There's no conspiracy theory here. I'm calling the few posters out who are trying to state that there is some big Orser story here when there is clearly not. I don't see how the lack of articles by professional figure skating analysts pointing to the coaching change in any proves your point.
As for my level of fandom, I freely called myself a casual fan. For one, I have defended the sport as a sport in this thread. I've enjoyed the sport since Torvill and Dean's comeback which my mom sat me down to watch as a child to Surya Bonaly in Nagano to now. I'm not a hardcore fan. I can't tell a flip from a toe loop. Can you? What I can do is make a judgment call as to how big a deal this whole Orser thing was. Any sportsfan knows the age old debate of coach vs. on the field result. Any sports fan knows when to give credit to the coach and when to give credit to the athlete. Any sports fan would look at the result of the mens program and deduce that that had less to do with coaching and more to do with an event that saw many skaters fail to execute. Likewise, any sports fan can see the lack of stories on Yuna and Orser related to these results and the coaching change and deduce that it had little to do with coaching. If the experts aren't making a story of this then there is probably nothing there.
My analysis is sound. It is highly probable that if you changed the nationalities of the principles involved that the posters would not reach the same conclusions or have the same intensity. If that is the case and you accept the premise, then you have to look at alternative motives.
And the reason I bolded that statement is because it is sound and because I seek a direct answer. It is the key question of the debate as it pertains to posters on this thread. As for this result, my conclusion falls in line with EZE, who seems to have been the biggest fan of figure skating on this thread. No one is calling for protests and petitions. We are just dissecting the result. Yes, I have a personal disdain for posters who complain about bandwagon threads and blind nationalism, but are obviously not figure skating fans and have little interest in this beyond Kim Yuna's nationality. That's calling them out for being hypocrites and its pretty obvious to any reasonable individual.
Now if you please, can you offer an explanation as to why the whole Orser explanation isn't a part of the storyline? Why is it only in threads on Dave's that its a factor? The logical inference is that either A) The posters on Dave's have some special insight or B) That there is some other explanation for the popularity of this theory on Dave's. The follow up question of course is "What is the explanation for the popularity of this theory on Dave's"? Any guesses? |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Kurt Browning, a four-time world champion, told The New York Times: "I just couldn't see how Yu-na and Sotnikova were so close in the components. I was shocked. What, suddenly, she just became a better skater overnight? I don't know what happened. I'm still trying to figure it out." |
More testimony from people who know what they are talking about. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Adam Carolla wrote: |
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| Kurt Browning, a four-time world champion, told The New York Times: "I just couldn't see how Yu-na and Sotnikova were so close in the components. I was shocked. What, suddenly, she just became a better skater overnight? I don't know what happened. I'm still trying to figure it out." |
More testimony from people who know what they are talking about. |
Kurt Browning, another class act. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:28 am Post subject: |
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To those deluded souls who think the Russian program's degree of difficulty was what made the difference between her and Yuna.
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| Let's take the artistic element out for a second and just talk about the technicalities. Mao had 8 jumps, one was a triple axel, and it was a near flawless skate. She received 142.71 points. Sotnikova had 7 jumps and bobbled her landing. She received a whooping 149.95. You're right, it is about winning, but it isn't winning when there are these inconsistencies with the scoring. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I figured the bigger controversy would be over the Italian skater getting bronze. She looked like a horse trying to walk on ice... and I'm not (just) talking about her face. |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Sportsmanship is a concept Koreans haven't given much thought to.
Kudos, though, to Kim for bringing home the silver and for being gracious about finishing second.
I still don't consider figure skating a sport. It's performance. |
I agree, also include...
Ice Dancing
Freestyle Skiing
Snow Boarding
Short Track Skating
Gimnastics
Martial Arts
Bull Fighting
College Football
Body Building
and... Pro Wrestling!  |
How exactly do Short Track and MMA have performance elements? What is Anderson Silva performing by getting his leg snapped in half? |
Short track agreed, but MMA, are you kidding? Ring control, pressing the action, etc. Half of MMA is scored on subjective performance scoring. They even have bonus based on it! Geez man you are a real know it all. sometimes its ok to say "well, I'm not sure fellas. I just don't know enough about it to give an opinion on this topic". |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Short track agreed, but MMA, are you kidding? Ring control, pressing the action, etc. Half of MMA is scored on subjective performance scoring. They even have bonus based on it! Geez man you are a real know it all. sometimes its ok to say "well, I'm not sure fellas. I just don't know enough about it to give an opinion on this topic". |
Heh, actually on the other Korean Olympic thread I debated Fox about whether or not figure skating was a sport and mentioned the subjective criteria of MMA, for example trying to finish the fight and in Pride FC, they gave greater weight to the fighter that looked "stronger" at the end.
When the dude mentioned performance, I was thinking about something like WWE, which he mentioned, as opposed to sports like figure skating or MMA which may subjective and/or artistic components. Relax. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, this thread is still going? Not much else to talk about, I suppose. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup, olympic closing ceremony was yesterday. I think we need to have a closing ceremony for discussion of olympics-related topics on Daves. Now, who could we select as master of ceremonies? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's just close it out without a ceremony and see where that goes. The End? |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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This is Korea. Nothing ever, at any time, in any place, is done without some sort of ceremony.  |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Short track agreed, but MMA, are you kidding? Ring control, pressing the action, etc. Half of MMA is scored on subjective performance scoring. They even have bonus based on it! Geez man you are a real know it all. sometimes its ok to say "well, I'm not sure fellas. I just don't know enough about it to give an opinion on this topic". |
Heh, actually on the other Korean Olympic thread I debated Fox about whether or not figure skating was a sport and mentioned the subjective criteria of MMA, for example trying to finish the fight and in Pride FC, they gave greater weight to the fighter that looked "stronger" at the end.
When the dude mentioned performance, I was thinking about something like WWE, which he mentioned, as opposed to sports like figure skating or MMA which may subjective and/or artistic components. Relax. |
Relax? That's rich coming from you considering how many times you've unloaded condescension on these boards. |
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