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SeoulNate
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Yes, I'm sure that they bothered to hack into school databases that I worked at.
I provided reference numbers, none were called. |
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Overture1928
Joined: 12 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe you can be a janitor |
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faeriehazel
Joined: 04 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| I swear I heard one interpretation say that public school experience would count if the person was teaching certified (and if the experience was in one's home country. Maybe the rule is hard to understand. But it is certainly not just a suggestion. If unis don't follow it, they'll lose funding. |
The law applies to all university lecturers/professors, not just ESL. In Korea, you can't teach at a public institution without a certificate, so having public school experience automatically means that person is certified. It's a bit tricky with foreign English teachers because for whatever reason Korean public schools allow un-certified teachers to teach IF they are foreigners. So that might be a sort of grey area. I know teachers who have been hired in Korea with 4 years public experience in Korea (as opposed to in their home country). |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard three different interpretations:
- public school experience in Korea counts
- public school experience in Korea counts if the waeg is teaching certified
- public school experience counts for certified teachers if it is teaching experience in one's home country (in the West)
Which one is true? I dunno. Maybe unis themselves are interpreting it differently (out of ignorance and/or vagueness of the law). Which will the Korean government accept (when the school is audited)? Not sure. I guess we'll have to wait to find out. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Getting a 4 month vacat univ job, will live anywhere.... |
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| I want to get a univ. job come Sept. or March 2015 to travel and have self improvement during the long vacation. |
LOL. You want to have "self improvement" by not working and getting paid for doing nothing while lying on a beach. You've an odd understanding of self-improvement. I think when I head back to the States I'll sit on welfare for a few months while I better myself. Sleep to noon, late night parties, lounging around the house all day..you know, improving myself.
Self-improvement isn't a physical place. You can't get on a plane and go there. And it has very little to do with yearning to be idle. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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This is what I commonly see…
REQUIREMENTS AND QUALIFICATIONS
Only candidates meeting these requirements will be contacted
- Native English speaker from Australia, Canada, Ireland, N.Z, South Africa, U.K, or the USA
- Master's degree (Education, English, or Linguistics preferred) and 2 years of verifiable English teaching experience
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- PhD (Education, English, or Linguistics preferred)
Experience must be:
- Full time English teaching
- Post-secondary or corporate (not from private academies)
- Primary or secondary level outside of Korea acceptable with teaching licensure
- Accrued outside of time spent pursuing degree
- Verifiable through letters from employers or certificates of employment
…which leads me to believe the third interpretation I listed above is correct. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:21 am Post subject: |
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those are most likely taken from the UNI's job ad.
Of course they want the most qualified people they can get.
I have yet to hear of anyone getting accepted by a uni, given a contract and then turned down by immigration or had the Korean education board come breathing down the neck of the university. Hell, when I went to immigration they didnt even ask to see my MAT, teaching licence or anything when I changed my visa, the officer just looked at the contract, asked to see my teaching schedule and the business licence, said "wow, you are lucky" stamped everything and sent me on my way.
Hiring practices are at the discretion of the uni.
In addition, I should mention that if such a stature does exist, it is only for the public schools and a good chunk of the top 10 schools are privately funded. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Getting a 4 month vacat univ job, will live anywhere.... |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| itiswhatitis wrote: |
| I want to get a univ. job come Sept. or March 2015 to travel and have self improvement during the long vacation. |
LOL. You want to have "self improvement" by not working and getting paid for doing nothing while lying on a beach. You've an odd understanding of self-improvement. I think when I head back to the States I'll sit on welfare for a few months while I better myself. Sleep to noon, late night parties, lounging around the house all day..you know, improving myself.
Self-improvement isn't a physical place. You can't get on a plane and go there. And it has very little to do with yearning to be idle. |
Maybe he means he's looking to improve his tan? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
| In addition, I should mention that if such a stature does exist, it is only for the public schools and a good chunk of the top 10 schools are privately funded. |
O RLY? Check this out:
http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,70224.msg435361
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Qualifications: A bachelors degree plus AT LEAST 4 years full-time ESL university experience OR a masters degree (or higher) plust AT LEAST 2 years full-time ESL university experience.
***THESE QUALIFICATIONS ARE MANDATED BY A NEW KOREAN LAW. THEY ARE IRONCLAD RULES WHICH CANNOT BE BENT OR CIRCUMVENTED. PLEASE DO NOT APPLY IF YOU DON'T MEET THESE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, AS YOUR APPLICATION SIMPLY CANNOT BE CONSIDERED.*** |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Again, written by exactly who?
Laws man, laws. Point me to something written by immi or the Korean Ministry of Education and I will gladly back down.
Just for shits and giggles, I walked down to the language department at my place last week and talked to a couple of the new hires.
Surprise surprise, they also dont have uni experience. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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OK, because you have this:
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1. MAT:TESOL - from a top 15 school in the US, graduated with distinction
2. 7 years of teaching experience, various levels - unfortunately, none in uni
3. Bachelors of Education for secondary education - teaching licence in US |
...you meet the requirements.
MA + certification + two years teaching experience in a public school in one's home country.
Most people don't have that.
The reason the people in the language center were hired for the unigwon job without prior uni experience is it's not a real uni job (nor will it count as a real uni job when applying in the future).
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As someone who's been looking to switch to Uni for quite some time, I know unless you have two years experience uni teaching, 99% of the Unis won't even consider your application.
This wasn't true a year ago BUT in late 2013 the Education Ministry began performing credential audits of of instructors (not clear if it was ALL instructors or just foreign ones, but I think it was all) to weed out and hopefully close/discredit low end universities. However, instead making a national policy, they made a STRONG recommendation (a threat veiled a recommendation) that schools not hire teachers unless they have sufficient university teaching experience. Of course, in Korea that means every school panicked and made it their policy. If you look at Unis hiring ads now, almost all, including really rural-nobody-with-any-credentials-would-go-there universities, have started requiring the 2 year Uni experience and that's with a Masters! They require 4 years Uni exp without a Masters.
I've only seen one, maybe two in the past year that didn't require it, and believe me, they were literally in the middle of nowhere.
It's important to note that since schools started doing this, most low end schools in rural areas are having a tough time actually hiring good teachers. In the past, you would not see openings listed around this date, as schools would've finished hiring, but no one wants with Uni experience wants to go there. 
Basically they are shooting themselves in the foot.
I have a Masters and and halfway through a second one (an English lit one) and still I'm teaching elementary. Also, I have a teacher's license and universities don't care one bit about it. They like Ed majors but only if you have exp and pref a Masters.
I hope find something you like, I know I am crossing my fingers that I will step in a puddle of luck next year or that these schools will wake up and remove that 2 yr exp requirement. |
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faeriehazel
Joined: 04 Mar 2008
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I read the laws (in Korean) posted on a government website (linked to it in another thread, can't be arsed to look it up again). It was a pain in the ass to look up because if you look up the laws for private universities, it specifically says that private universities are bound by the same laws as public universities when it comes to hiring. Then when you look up the public universities law it refers you to something else (presidential order or some such). So it takes some chasing down.
The law clearly states that university experience is not mandatory. It says the experience (2 years or 4 years) has to be from an institution certified by the Ministry of Education. A relative of mine (Korean) is involved in the hiring process at a university near Seoul and he confirmed that this includes public school experience (as long as it's not an afterschool program). So universities that insist that it MUST BE uni experience are setting their own standards. Obviously unis can write their own rules concerning hiring as long as the rules do not violate Korean law. |
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piglet44
Joined: 03 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Jumping in here.. I have 3 years' Uni experience teaching in China,30 years high school ESL and an MA. Thinking about moving from China to Korea what are my chances of a Uni job? (I am over 50) |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:07 am Post subject: |
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...you meet the requirements.
MA + certification + two years teaching experience in a public school in one's home country.
Most people don't have that.
The reason the people in the language center were hired for the unigwon job without prior uni experience is it's not a real uni job (nor will it count as a real uni job when applying in the future).
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You are missing the point.
I am still under qualified according to the 'laws' you pointed to.
The people in the language center are the ones that teach freshmen/ sophomore level general English classes at the uni. They have a standard uni contract here and it certainly isnt a unigwon. Many of them have tons of uni experience, a few even have their PHDs. However a few of the new ones do not have any experience at other unis.
I'm not sure why you are fighting so hard on this.
I know / have met at least a dozen people in the last year to be hired by various unis in Seoul that have only their MAT. If the uni wants you, and your interview well, you can get hired. |
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