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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: Good Korean Classes? Reply with quote

Anyone have any advice for Korean classes? I'm looking for something that has smallish class sizes and meets on Fridays and/or Saturdays. Prices would also be helpful.

I'm pretty fed up with tutors as I seem to be making little to no headway with my speaking skills and want something that is a little more structured.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulNate wrote:
I'm pretty fed up with tutors as I seem to be making little to no headway with my speaking skills

Saw this online:

"One on one tutoring is the best and most efficient use of time. It’s also usually the most expensive use of time, depending on the language and country. But if you have the money, grabbing a solid tutor and sitting with him or her for a few hours every day is the fastest way to learn a new language I’ve ever found."

Are you studying with the tutor for several hours every day? Probably not.

If you want to learn Korean, you should be prepared to spend millions of won and thousands of hours of your time. It's that hard of a language.

edwardcatflap wrote:
I know about twenty foreigners here who are married to Korean women and not one of them can have a proper conversation in Korean


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Sireno



Joined: 19 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was in Korea I quite enjoyed 숙명여대 free courses on Saturdays. They have structure, though are taught by volunteer students who may or may not have any idea what they're doing. However for the free price or perhaps 1,000 won, it's not bad. Search for Sookmyung Korean Education Volunteers on facebook.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
SeoulNate wrote:
I'm pretty fed up with tutors as I seem to be making little to no headway with my speaking skills

Saw this online:

"One on one tutoring is the best and most efficient use of time. It’s also usually the most expensive use of time, depending on the language and country. But if you have the money, grabbing a solid tutor and sitting with him or her for a few hours every day is the fastest way to learn a new language I’ve ever found."

Are you studying with the tutor for several hours every day? Probably not.

If you want to learn Korean, you should be prepared to spend millions of won and thousands of hours of your time. It's that hard of a language.

edwardcatflap wrote:
I know about twenty foreigners here who are married to Korean women and not one of them can have a proper conversation in Korean


Thanks for the troll bump.

I've worked with about 15 different tutors over the years and have not found any of them able to help me much more than I can do on my own. I guess I expect the same level of work that I put into a lesson when I do private English tutoring, but that just has never been there for any tutor I have tried.
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spaceman82



Joined: 01 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to give YBM's Korean classes a try for the upper levels. Some of the teachers are really good and the classes don't get too big.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not trolling. Just giving information. Maybe try a new approach to how you study with the tutor (ask them to speak more slowly, etc.) and up your hours or give up on tutors entirely, but I don't think it is possible to get good at Korean without a lot of speaking practice. Classes alone (especially part time weekend classes) aren't enough to get you to a decent level. You need to study every day (on your own or otherwise). I've found for me, most classes in Korea suck (that has just been my own experience) and that tutors are the most effective route to go. I guess do whatever you want, but keep in mind almost no Western expats end up being able to speak the language (including those with Korean spouses). You really have to commit youself big time if you want to get good.
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spaceman82



Joined: 01 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I forgot to include prices. It should be around 140,000/month for around five hours a week of instruction. That's for the weeknight classes, which are the ones I have experience with, but I'm sure the weekend rates are about the same.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nate, have you considered simply giving up on tutors and classes entirely? I strongly believe that 100% of the value of language instruction can be acquired through alternative means, and generally cheaper or even for free. I know your question was about classes specifically, so if that's what you're set on of course I don't want to patronize, but the resources for learning Korean independent really are adequate to the task I think.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spaceman82 wrote:
You might want to give YBM's Korean classes a try for the upper levels. Some of the teachers are really good and the classes don't get too big.


Yeah, I looked into them, but my schedule really doesn't work for any of their offerings at my level, I would like to do something similar if I could find ones that work would within my time frame
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Nate, have you considered simply giving up on tutors and classes entirely? I strongly believe that 100% of the value of language instruction can be acquired through alternative means, and generally cheaper or even for free. I know your question was about classes specifically, so if that's what you're set on of course I don't want to patronize, but the resources for learning Korean independent really are adequate to the task I think.


Yeah, I have thought about that, and tried it. I just dont have the motivation for self study without attending a class, which is probably the same reason that tutors dont work for me since it is always a "go at my pace" kinda thing. I need the structure of a class, even if its one that just meets twice a week for an hour or two each time.

TBH, the free resources online are actually better than most classes/tutors that I have ever worked with here, I just dont have good motivation for using them effectively.
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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't vouch for them, as I haven't taken classes here, but it could be a good option: http://www.omijakorean.com/
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings wrote:
I can't vouch for them, as I haven't taken classes here, but it could be a good option: http://www.omijakorean.com/


nice, good find.

Curious if anyone has tried them
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wanderkind



Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took the Yonsei University Korean course. You mentioned your schedule, but if you're in the public school system (or uni), you might be able to swing doing it during the winter or summer break. As far as I know it is the only 6 week program offered by a uni in Korea. I met a few other people taking it at the same time as me who got permission from their school to do it in place of desk-warming (combined with their vacation) during the break since their school didn't have camps.

It is very intensive, and you have to learn or fall behind immediately and fail. If you don't fall behind, you can learn a lot.

That said, it's so hit or miss depending on your teacher (I don't know how, but they have some TERRIBLE teachers there, and some teachers who would probably be good, but are forced to commute 4+hrs each day to work there and just hate life), I wouldn't recommend it.

Personally, I'd say don't give up on tutoring. It's about finding the right tutor. A genuinely good teacher, who's patient, understands what you need, and how to best help you improve. Try advertising in a university building if there is one close to you, line a bunch of people up, do a trial lesson with each one, and see if anyone impresses you. If you don't find someone who you think will suit your needs, try again elsewhere until you do. A lot of uni students are looking for part time work, and most likely will get minimum wage at CU or a coffee shop anyway. It's a good incentive for them to perform well in a tutoring gig, and make as much or more in less time.
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almosthome



Joined: 16 Nov 2012

PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If all you need is structure, start a little Korean learning group with other expats. Come up with a syllabus (including homework assignments) using a variety of free resources. Maybe aim for 50 vocab, 5 slang/colloquialisms, and a grammar rule each week. Involve food. Advertise! Smile
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanderkind wrote:
It is very intensive, and you have to learn or fall behind immediately and fail. If you don't fall behind, you can learn a lot.

That said, it's so hit or miss depending on your teacher (I don't know how, but they have some TERRIBLE teachers there, and some teachers who would probably be good, but are forced to commute 4+hrs each day to work there and just hate life), I wouldn't recommend it.

I read online a comment saying Yonsei was the best program in Korea for learning Korean, not because it is good, but because the other ones are so terrible. So maybe Yonsei is worth it. Just remember to devote a ton of time. Eight hours a day. Serious. For non gypo/non Japanese/non Chinese students (which is most students learning Korean there) getting good at the language is going to be hard as hell.
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