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Cut throat competition out there for teaching jobs
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:58 pm    Post subject: Cut throat competition out there for teaching jobs Reply with quote

Especially for public school jobs. In the past I've heard of some applicants bidding down salaries, offering to teach extra classes for no pay, and one dude in Anyang at a high school who begged for the job by offering to pay his flight ticket home. But it's getting worse this year. Many are begging for jobs, bidding down salaries, and offering to teach alone, without any co-teacher in the classroom. Some are even offering free private lessons for the Korean teachers and staff. How low can some of these snakes go? They're only ruining it for everyone else, and themselves.

If you're looking for a job understand that there are snakes in the grass.
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Rockhard



Joined: 11 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People selling out each other in the name of personal gain? Why I never!

Salaries will drop as long as supply outstrips demand. But worry not, there is a floor and that floor is called China.

As of today the average salary in China (10,000 yuan per month) is 1,737,444 won. We you factor in cost of living it's more like 2,100,000 won a month. That's the lowest possible pay scale as I see it. Right now your average Korean compensation is 2,700,000 a month (rent, severance, health) so there is room yet for a drop.
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhard wrote:
People selling out each other in the name of personal gain? Why I never!

Salaries will drop as long as supply outstrips demand. But worry not, there is a floor and that floor is called China.

As of today the average salary in China (10,000 yuan per month) is 1,737,444 won. We you factor in cost of living it's more like 2,100,000 won a month. That's the lowest possible pay scale as I see it. Right now your average Korean compensation is 2,700,000 a month (rent, severance, health) so there is room yet for a drop.


Go to China if you want to die early. Have you seen the air quality maps for China? Any urban area is always in the red and even purple hazard. There are greener pastures in Korea you just have yo leave Seoul to find them.
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhard wrote:
People selling out each other in the name of personal gain? Why I never!

Salaries will drop as long as supply outstrips demand. But worry not, there is a floor and that floor is called China.

As of today the average salary in China (10,000 yuan per month) is 1,737,444 won. We you factor in cost of living it's more like 2,100,000 won a month. That's the lowest possible pay scale as I see it. Right now your average Korean compensation is 2,700,000 a month (rent, severance, health) so there is room yet for a drop.


Go to China if you want to die early. Have you seen the air quality maps for China? Any urban area is always in the red and even purple hazard. There are greener pastures in Korea you just have yo leave Seoul to find them.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should keep in mind that there are some people who just want a visa. They don't care about the school, the salary, conditions ect. They have far more lucritive activities going on outside the school.
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yfb



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope you long-term public schoolers have made backup plans for when your position is cut! No matter how much your staff loves you, if there's no funding, out you go. And if you're too expensive in one district (GEPIK) your chances of employment are drastically reduced in there. I was advised by my recruiter to edit my resume to make it appear to look like I had less experience than I truly had so that I could get more offers. How's that for a job market?

When I was looking for a new job these past few months, competition truly was fierce. My city-hall-funded position was affected by budget cuts so the maximum the school could afford was 2.1 million. And a flood of people were still jockeying to take the position, including one hagwoner who was making 1.6 million after he accepted a pay cut at his hagwon just to stay on. Another woman was making 2.4 at a nearby PS, but was willing to accept this lower salary just to stay employed.

Luckily I was able to find something in my pay range, but it was a rural school.

There may still be some naive optimists out there that count on recovery in the West as the golden ticket to higher salaries and better conditions. Don't count on it. It's a jobless recovery and there are still newbies out there with a boatload of debt and no realistic prospects to pay it off.

PS: The highlight of the job search was when Gyeongsangnam-do refused to recognize my ITTT TESOL certificate for a pay raise because it was "only online" without any in-class experience, despite me having been here for over four years and the EPIK website mentioning nothing of in-class components. Korea, ladies and gentlemen!
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yfb wrote:
Hope you long-term public schoolers have made backup plans for when your position is cut! No matter how much your staff loves you, if there's no funding, out you go. And if you're too expensive in one district (GEPIK) your chances of employment are drastically reduced in there. I was advised by my recruiter to edit my resume to make it appear to look like I had less experience than I truly had so that I could get more offers. How's that for a job market?

When I was looking for a new job these past few months, competition truly was fierce. My city-hall-funded position was affected by budget cuts so the maximum the school could afford was 2.1 million. And a flood of people were still jockeying to take the position, including one hagwoner who was making 1.6 million after he accepted a pay cut at his hagwon just to stay on. Another woman was making 2.4 at a nearby PS, but was willing to accept this lower salary just to stay employed.

Luckily I was able to find something in my pay range, but it was a rural school.

There may still be some naive optimists out there that count on recovery in the West as the golden ticket to higher salaries and better conditions. Don't count on it. It's a jobless recovery and there are still newbies out there with a boatload of debt and no realistic prospects to pay it off.

PS: The highlight of the job search was when Gyeongsangnam-do refused to recognize my ITTT TESOL certificate for a pay raise because it was "only online" without any in-class experience, despite me having been here for over four years and the EPIK website mentioning nothing of in-class components. Korea, ladies and gentlemen!


I am a certified teacher in the US with a Master's degree and 22 years classroom experience (a decade of which is in US public schools). I looked at getting a job back in Michigan, and I could have taken any of several jobs -- if I agreed to be paid at the entry-level-BA-with-no-experience salary. America, ladies and gentlemen!

My point is, yfb, it is a tough market everywhere. It ain't a Korea thing -- it is a world thing.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yfb wrote:
There may still be some naive optimists out there that count on recovery in the West as the golden ticket to higher salaries and better conditions. Don't count on it.

The reason being: tons of South Africans are coming over, which makes sense, as South Africa is a poor country. Awareness is increasing there. Did you think you, as an American/Canadian/English/Aussie/Irish/Kiwi male would be hired over a South African female. Unlikely. Public schools are giving preference to females over males.

Check this out.

http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews.asp?i=43059c3bf0e37541&u=2012_12_07_02_26_eca450cff2e340f29b1df5479a71afe3_PRIMARY.gif

http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/12/US_JOBS0911_SC.html

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The media hasn't been fair to male teachers here. It's quite natural for students to prefer a female tutor.

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Have you seen the ads on Dave's? It's practically impossible for a male to get a decent teaching job.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote