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duhweecher
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 Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:05 am Post subject: 2NE1 Insults Islam-->Terrorist Backlash, Possible? |
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Your opinions?
Girl band 2NE1 have found themselves embroiled in a bitter controversy over alleged insults to Islam after a song on their latest album quoted verses from the Quran.
The offending lines come in a ditty titled "MTBD."
An official at the Korea Muslim Federation on Wednesday demanded that 2NE1's agency YG Entertainment "swiftly delete" the lyrics in question or "completely revise" the song, and apologize to all Muslims.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/03/13/2014031301611.html |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Islam is a religion of peace. I'm sure there will be no repercussions.
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| YG Entertainment admitted that it sampled a track from another song but declined to explain further. |
Not surprising.
In other words, we copied it but don't want to say from where or we'll have to pay royalties.
I was hoping they would keep the song as is, but it looks like they already changed it.
Wouldn't it be crazy if instead of borrowing/sampling English phrases, the new trend in K-Poop suddenly became using bits of the Koran in the songs?
Bizarre how just quoting a piece of literature drives the Muslims nuts and they demand an apology to "ALL Muslims". ALL?? Come on... there's gotta be a few out there that don't flip a lid over such a thing in this day and age. What century are we living in?
Also, look at the bullying tactics going on between the lines. Seems they are basically saying, "Change it and apologize to ALL of us, or there may be violent repercussions in the form of terrorism." But hey, it's a religion of peace, right? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Happens all the time:
http://www.allkpop.com/article/2008/11/muslims-angry-at-korean-band-jaurim
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| To the Manager the Band Jaurim Demanding For Apology My name is Mariam and I am from UAE and behalf of the whole Muslims in the WORLD I demand an apology from your Management Company and the band Jaurim. The reason for demanding apology While I was watching the MKFM award show before the band Jaurim start singing they put the sound of "Azan" on their song which is a religious call for Muslims to prepare for praying. Muslims worship the “Azan†and insulting the “Azan†by adding music to it is like insulting the call for pray in Islam, which lead to insult the Islam religion. You can hear the “Azan†here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAAQebpKk0k What I want from you is to announce an apology to Islam and Muslims for this insult, which I believe you will do, whatever it was intentional or unintentional, but it is better to be unintentional. Regards Mariam |
http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/332871/adhan-in-mblaq-idol-army-update
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we are not angry at them, they probably didn't know what is the meaning of Adhan, but how can they don't know the source of the music or anything they use for any program ???
we want them to know that there are a LOT of Muslim fans of Korean entertainment and they were upset by this. we are asking for apology and we hope that they don't use the Adhan or any Islamic material in their program. |
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You thought they's learn frm the past.
How ignorant of them. And ignorance is no excuse.
It's a very sensitive issue, I'm mad.
They should've done researches on what azan is, before using it . |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:05 am Post subject: Re: 2NE1 Insults Islam-->Terrorist Backlash, Possible? |
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An official at the Korea Muslim Federation on Wednesday demanded that 2NE1's agency YG Entertainment "swiftly delete" the lyrics in question or "completely revise" the song, and apologize to all Muslims.
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That's terrorism already.  |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| YG Entertainment admitted that it sampled a track from another song but declined to explain further. |
Not surprising.
In other words, we copied it but don't want to say from where or we'll have to pay royalties.
I was hoping they would keep the song as is, but it looks like they already changed it.
Wouldn't it be crazy if instead of borrowing/sampling English phrases, the new trend in K-Poop suddenly became using bits of the Koran in the songs?
Bizarre how just quoting a piece of literature drives the Muslims nuts and they demand an apology to "ALL Muslims". ALL?? Come on... there's gotta be a few out there that don't flip a lid over such a thing in this day and age. What century are we living in?
Also, look at the bullying tactics going on between the lines. Seems they are basically saying, "Change it and apologize to ALL of us, or there may be violent repercussions in the form of terrorism." But hey, it's a religion of peace, right? |
Peace is their profession. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: 2NE1 Insults Islam-->Terrorist Backlash, Possible? |
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| duhweecher wrote: |
Your opinions?
Girl band 2NE1 have found themselves embroiled in a bitter controversy over alleged insults to Islam after a song on their latest album quoted verses from the Quran.
The offending lines come in a ditty titled "MTBD."
An official at the Korea Muslim Federation on Wednesday demanded that 2NE1's agency YG Entertainment "swiftly delete" the lyrics in question or "completely revise" the song, and apologize to all Muslims.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/03/13/2014031301611.html |
Their agent needs to tell the Muslim community to %$#^ off. They have no right to demand that people respect their religion (or any religion). They might be offended by the lyrics, but in a liberal democracy you don't have the right to be "not offended". If Christians, Scientologists and Mormons have to suck it up so do Muslims.
On another note, why are conservative religious people watching videos of skimpily-clad teenagers dancing about like strippers in the first place? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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It used to be that while extreme speech was protected and you didn't have this kind of word policing, people were respectful enough of other's religion and beliefs to not engage in offensive open mocking, even though they had the right to.
Now we have people who delight in the offensive and vulgar and word police who want to ban bossy. Am I the only one who wants to keep bossy, but thinks the proper thing is not to mock people's religion (debates about religion and questioning its validity are fine) and consider such behavior on the level of hurling racial slurs at people?
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| Their agent needs to tell the Muslim community to %$#^ off. They have no right to demand that people respect their religion (or any religion).They might be offended by the lyrics, but in a liberal democracy you don't have the right to be "not offended" |
So, when Koreans stereotype foreigners or mock them, you should suck it up? Or is it outrage at offensive portrayals only the privilige of English-speaking nations?
Respect is a two-way street, you can't demand respect and dignity for how you are treated and then embrace your right to disrespect and insult others. I find it odd that some of the most vocal opponents of Korean bad manners and disrespect towards foreigners are some of the biggest supporters of being able to insult Islam.
I think its perfectly reasonably for the Islamic community to request a change in the lyrics. I hope that YG does the right thing and change them. They aren't engaged in political advocacy, they're a record company. Make your fans and potential fans happy. Buck the ugly trend of delighting in offending Islam and embracing such offensive speech or art (while simultaneously engaging in campaigns against various words- talk about mixed messages) and instead happily comply and be a good neighbor in the world. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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OP - I doubt it considering most terrorist plots, factions, leaders etc. are figments of imagination (specifically the USA government's).
Perhaps if Korea start inventing colourful stories to scare people so that they can then proceed to pretend to protect everyone, the fictitious characters might become a reality? (Naw, I doubt that because they have invented their own threats like people trying to steal some sea, rocks or their women).
No, I dont think there will be a backlash. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Am I the only one who wants to keep bossy, but thinks the proper thing is not to mock people's religion (debates about religion and questioning its validity are fine) and consider such behavior on the level of hurling racial slurs at people?
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Nope. I don't think "Free speech!' criers realize that "free speech" does not mean you aren't free from repercussions, and if you are a dick, you will be considered one. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Am I the only one who wants to keep bossy, but thinks the proper thing is not to mock people's religion (debates about religion and questioning its validity are fine) and consider such behavior on the level of hurling racial slurs at people? |
Religion and race are most definitely not on the same level.
Mocking religion is a choice...often a bad one considering how vengeful many religious people tend to be...despite their claims of being peaceful.
Religion is a choice and a bad one.
Race is not a choice.
Seriously, discussing religion with religious people is pointless...unless of course they are openly mocking different religions. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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I wouldn't want to do anything that would cause riots or violence, even if it is a free world.
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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So, when Koreans stereotype foreigners or mock them, you should suck it up? Or is it outrage at offensive portrayals only the privilige of English-speaking nations?
Respect is a two-way street, you can't demand respect and dignity for how you are treated and then embrace your right to disrespect and insult others. I find it odd that some of the most vocal opponents of Korean bad manners and disrespect towards foreigners are some of the biggest supporters of being able to insult Islam.
I think its perfectly reasonably for the Islamic community to request a change in the lyrics. I hope that YG does the right thing and change them. They aren't engaged in political advocacy, they're a record company. Make your fans and potential fans happy. Buck the ugly trend of delighting in offending Islam and embracing such offensive speech or art (while simultaneously engaging in campaigns against various words- talk about mixed messages) and instead happily comply and be a good neighbor in the world. |
Nobody is singling Islam out for reproach. We are singling out religion, period. But of course misrepresenting what people say is your forte, isn't it. If Christian groups, or Buddhists, Hindus, or Jews complained about lyrics I'd also tell them to take a hike. Why is religion placed on a pedestal and to be respected over and above other ideas or concepts? Stupid, bronze age beliefs fabricated by people who didn't know where the sun went at night don't deserve my respect. And no one has the right to demand that I respect what I in fact don't respect. We bash Christianity a great deal these days (and rightly so), so I'd like to know what reason there is to treat other religions any differently. We have to endure being told that we, and people we love, are going to spend eternity in a lake of fire. If they can dish out such insult, surely they can't complain when their beliefs are criticized. Or are their beliefs, however foul, to be protected under the blanket of religion?
And criticizing a belief system, even ridiculing it, is not the same as the Korean Times et al fabricating lies and spreading misinformation about an identifiable minority group (ESL teachers in Korea). I attack the ideas of religion. When Koreans demonize us they are not attacking our ideas; they are attacking us because of our origins and using falsehoods to do it. To attack religion you do not need to employ any falsehoods. The facts do the job all by themselves. To demonize us on the other hand Koreans have to lie, misrepresent statistics, and engage in character assassination. Your analogies are absurd.
But I accept the right of Koreans to say anything they want about us. I'm certainly not going to demand that they stop and issue an apology to the entire ESL community. The pop group's agent needs to take a stand against religious bullies telling people what they can and can't say. Your religion is exactly that, your religion. It's not mine, and I'm not obligated to hold it in the same esteem as you do, or refrain from criticizing it. Religion is an 'idea', as are the tenants of any particular religion, and in the world of ideas criticism, even ridicule, is fair play. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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You thought they's learn frm the past.
How ignorant of them. And ignorance is no excuse.
It's a very sensitive issue, I'm mad.
They should've done researches on what azan is, before using it . |
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Perhaps they should have done some research on what the English language is before abusing it.
Thanks for that one Mithridates.
Nice post Scorpion. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
So, when Koreans stereotype foreigners or mock them, you should suck it up? |
That's your general advice for foreigners in Korea anyways.
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I think its perfectly reasonably for the Islamic community to request a change in the lyrics. |
As usual, more misrepresentations from Steelrails. It's not a "request", it's a DEMAND. A demand with the potential unspoken threat of violence in the form of terrorism. Big difference.
Every other religion has to suck up "offensive" things from time to time. Islam goes further by DEMANDING others change their behavior/speech, or face serious consequences. Christians used to do this as well but in modern times they can't get away with it. So why should Muslims get away with it? Sure they can make laws for their own countries, but beyond that... forget about it. |
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