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frankhenry
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| littlelisa wrote: |
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Are they going to arrest every housewife in the country?
Regulate it like any other business and treat it as such. Sex is no different than beer if the parties are willing, consenting adults.
Put the pimps out of business and give the sex-trade workers access to all the other benefits that other employees gain including protection under the various labor acts.
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Yes, because every single housewife (and stay-at-home husband) married for money. All of them. And the husbands (or women who earn the household income) married them only for sex. So that's a perfect example of how that's the same as prostitution, and a reasonable assumption that under anti-prostitution laws all those above should all be arrested.
Other than the first sentence, which seems especially ridiculous, I agree with your post. |
Yep. Women are well known for marrying for money. That's why you will always have most women looking down on prostitution. Women don't like the idea of competition. Once married and locked on to the loot, women are afraid that some other woman might get their fingers on some of the coins.
On the other hand, most men are just fine with prostitution. Now the husband might say that prostitution is disgusting when discussing the situation with his wife, but in reality he thinks it's fine and dandy. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| The only groups I can even think of whom are both politically interested and willing to step up to the plate are libertarians, who rarely get their way unless they're acting as useful idiots for corporate interests, and "men's rights activists," who are possibly the least effectual "movement" in history. |
And libertarians, in the thought-out, ideological sense(as opposed to the default, don't-rock-the-boat-on-social-issues sense), are even less influential in Canada than in the US.
The opposition leader in my home province is an ideological libertarian. In the last election, the governing party dug up an old column she'd written advocating legal brothels, in the hopes of smearing her as soft on human-trafficking or something. She backtracked pretty quickly from her earlier position.
And yeah, the Men's Rights Movement. Oof. As far as I can tell, their main tactic now is going onto university campuses and engaging in shouting matches with the Women's Studies crowd. It's like Battle Of The Irrelevancies. . |
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ersatzredux
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I think you have predicted what is going to happen pretty much spot on. It will be the ludicrously unfair and counterproductive "Nordic model", no doubt passed on first reading with at least tri-partisan support.
As for the Men's rights movement, at least they can console themselves that they haven't taken away our porn yet. Masturbation is still free- for now. |
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ersatzredux
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Here's a general question.
If the state and/or the church is not designating and enforcing morality then who is?
Answer?: Hollywood.
Secular people best wish for the best. Whatever was on Prime Time TV last night is American (etc) Values. |
Wrong answer. The state hasn't stopped enforcing morality. It's called the judicial system. I think what you really mean to say is that you do not like the type of morality they are enforcing or wish they would enforce different types. And by Hollywood you mean Jews, right? |
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ghostrider
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I recently watched a documentary about this on Netflix - Buying Sex. In Canada, it was the sex workers themselves stepping up to the plate and defending their right to make a living the way they want to. They hired a lawyer to challenge Canada's laws on prostitution in court.
Some argue that it is exploitation of women. However, a lot of these women say they would feel more exploited if they were working as minimum wage burger flippers.
The typical John is a middle aged guy whose wife has lost interest in sex. What is he supposed to do? Just ignore an instinctual drive?
The issue of the morality of prostitution aside, the police do not really have the resources to enforce a ban. The internet has changed a lot of things. It would be a huge strain on the legal system to arrest and prosecute the hundreds of thousands of service providers that advertise online and their clients. In the US, it is a very low priority for a lot of police departments. |
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Fox
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The typical John is a middle aged guy whose wife has lost interest in sex. What is he supposed to do? Just ignore an instinctual drive? |
You are essentially arguing, "Of course we need prostitutes, how else can bored middle aged men commit casual adultery?" Do you really see that as a point in prostitution's favor? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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The typical John is a middle aged guy whose wife has lost interest in sex. What is he supposed to do? Just ignore an instinctual drive? |
You are essentially arguing, "Of course we need prostitutes, how else can bored middle aged men commit casual adultery?" Do you really see that as a point in prostitution's favor? |
Actually, what it is essentially arguing is,
What options are available for men to have sex?
It is one of many points in prostitution's favor. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
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The typical John is a middle aged guy whose wife has lost interest in sex. What is he supposed to do? Just ignore an instinctual drive? |
You are essentially arguing, "Of course we need prostitutes, how else can bored middle aged men commit casual adultery?" Do you really see that as a point in prostitution's favor? |
Actually, what it is essentially arguing is,
What options are available for men to have sex?
It is one of many points in prostitution's favor. |
Actually no. Mr. Fox is correct.
Mr. ghostrider clearly laid out the parameters for his premise. "a middle aged guy whose wife has lost interest in sex."
That does not equate to having options for men to have sex. You are casting a much wider net here then Mr. ghostrider himself. |
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Titus
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And yeah, the Men's Rights Movement. Oof. As far as I can tell, their main tactic now is going onto university campuses and engaging in shouting matches with the Women's Studies crowd. It's like Battle Of The Irrelevancies. . |
No, the video you're speaking of doesn't reflect that.
There was a lecture about male suicide at a campus in Toronto. Women said men talking about male suicide was "sexist" and protested and yelled at the men in attendance. They called them rapists etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
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And yeah, the Men's Rights Movement. Oof. As far as I can tell, their main tactic now is going onto university campuses and engaging in shouting matches with the Women's Studies crowd. It's like Battle Of The Irrelevancies. . |
No, the video you're speaking of doesn't reflect that.
There was a lecture about male suicide at a campus in Toronto. Women said men talking about male suicide was "sexist" and protested and yelled at the men in attendance. They called them rapists etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 |
Ouch.
Thanks for that link. |
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NovaKart
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| The Nordic Model really seems like a Victorian kind of attitude. Prostitutes are fallen women, not responsible for their own actions. I suppose some of this comes from a fear of female trafficking but is there really evidence to suggest that most prostitutes are women trafficked from 3rd world countries? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
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And yeah, the Men's Rights Movement. Oof. As far as I can tell, their main tactic now is going onto university campuses and engaging in shouting matches with the Women's Studies crowd. It's like Battle Of The Irrelevancies. . |
No, the video you're speaking of doesn't reflect that.
There was a lecture about male suicide at a campus in Toronto. Women said men talking about male suicide was "sexist" and protested and yelled at the men in attendance. They called them rapists etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 |
I'm not sure how that video disproves my characterization of the men's rights movement.
Okay, maybe those specific scenes didn't qualify as shouting matches, because most of the shouting was done by one side.
But anyone could pretty much have predicted the response a known men's rights activist would garner by going onto the U Of T campus and announcing that he's gonna give a speech. The ensuing farce was so foreseeable, I have to assume Farrell went there because he wanted to get the local feminists picketing him.
Had he rented a church-basement in the suburbs to give his speech, it would not likely have become the same sort of magnet for campus-based protestors that the university was. |
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Titus
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| But anyone could pretty much have predicted the response a known men's rights activist would garner by going onto the U Of T campus and announcing that he's gonna give a speech. |
1) statement: men go to uni to yell at women
2) opposite was true
3) how could the men not know they'd get yelled at?
4) point 1 stands.
Solid work. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| The Nordic Model really seems like a Victorian kind of attitude. Prostitutes are fallen women, not responsible for their own actions. I suppose some of this comes from a fear of female trafficking but is there really evidence to suggest that most prostitutes are women trafficked from 3rd world countries? |
Considering how close most of the Nordic countries are to Eastern Europe, there is evidence that a significant number of them are. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union it has been a big business. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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1) statement: men go to uni to yell at women
2) opposite was true
3) how could the men not know they'd get yelled at?
4) point 1 stands.
Solid work. |
Well, again, I concede that the men(at least as far as that video goes) weren't literally yelling at the women.
So I'll re-write my original post...
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| As far as I can tell, their main tactic now is going onto university campuses and engaging in confrontation with the Women's Studies crowd. |
I mean, do you seriously believe that after their meeting was cancelled, those guys were sitting around scratching their heads and saying "Huh? We got shouted down? By feminists? At the U Of T?! THAT sure was an unexpected twist!" |
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