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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Would you deny that ALL groups potentially have a tendency to want their own in charge and relegate other groups to the sidelines, or do you think it's just white people who do this?
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Of course, white people are not the only ones who do this.
Obama got 93% of the black vote in 2012. |
And perhaps more importantly, he completely dominated the Black vote in the Democratic primary against Clinton as well. There were 8 states where Obama won the White vote against Clinton, and 3 more where he lost it by less than 3%, but there were zero states where Clinton won the Black vote, nor did she even come close in any of them (the closest was New York, where Blacks favored Obama by a "mere" 24 percentage points). |
Just to clarify here, are you guys making an analysis based a guy being the only non-white out 44 presidents to make your point? To make things balanced, wouldn't you need 43 more non-white presidents?
(I say non-white bc Obama is of mixed background) |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Would you deny that ALL groups potentially have a tendency to want their own in charge and relegate other groups to the sidelines, or do you think it's just white people who do this?
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Of course, white people are not the only ones who do this.
Obama got 93% of the black vote in 2012. |
And perhaps more importantly, he completely dominated the Black vote in the Democratic primary against Clinton as well. There were 8 states where Obama won the White vote against Clinton, and 3 more where he lost it by less than 3%, but there were zero states where Clinton won the Black vote, nor did she even come close in any of them (the closest was New York, where Blacks favored Obama by a "mere" 24 percentage points). |
Yes, Black people are smarter than Whites.
Please for the love of god no more Clinton's or Bush's in the White house! Please!  |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Serious questions Jazz,
Have you read any books by a black/Asian/Mexican/Native author about black/Asian/Mexican/Native history in America?
Have you read any books by a black/Asian/Mexican/Native author on racism or colonialism in America? |
I'm not American and have never read any books in America. I read about "rational racism" a while ago though. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Would you deny that ALL groups potentially have a tendency to want their own in charge and relegate other groups to the sidelines, or do you think it's just white people who do this?
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Of course, white people are not the only ones who do this.
Obama got 93% of the black vote in 2012. |
And perhaps more importantly, he completely dominated the Black vote in the Democratic primary against Clinton as well. There were 8 states where Obama won the White vote against Clinton, and 3 more where he lost it by less than 3%, but there were zero states where Clinton won the Black vote, nor did she even come close in any of them (the closest was New York, where Blacks favored Obama by a "mere" 24 percentage points). |
Just to clarify here, are you guys making an analysis based a guy being the only non-white out 44 presidents to make your point? To make things balanced, wouldn't you need 43 more non-white presidents?
(I say non-white bc Obama is of mixed background) |
I'm saying it's undeniable fact that Blacks preferred Obama to Clinton based largely upon the color of his skin, while (non-Southern) Whites voted in a much less racially-driven fashion within the context of this primary, and I've provided data to back that position up. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| Please for the love of god no more Clinton's or Bush's in the White house! Please! |
Well, I certainly agree with that. |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Would you deny that ALL groups potentially have a tendency to want their own in charge and relegate other groups to the sidelines, or do you think it's just white people who do this?
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Of course, white people are not the only ones who do this.
Obama got 93% of the black vote in 2012. |
And perhaps more importantly, he completely dominated the Black vote in the Democratic primary against Clinton as well. There were 8 states where Obama won the White vote against Clinton, and 3 more where he lost it by less than 3%, but there were zero states where Clinton won the Black vote, nor did she even come close in any of them (the closest was New York, where Blacks favored Obama by a "mere" 24 percentage points). |
Just to clarify here, are you guys making an analysis based a guy being the only non-white out 44 presidents to make your point? To make things balanced, wouldn't you need 43 more non-white presidents?
(I say non-white bc Obama is of mixed background) |
I'm saying it's undeniable fact that Blacks preferred Obama to Clinton based largely upon the color of his skin, while (non-Southern) Whites voted in a much less racially-driven fashion within the context of this primary, and I've provided data to back that position up. |
Didn't he also win the Latin and Hispanic vote too? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Would you deny that ALL groups potentially have a tendency to want their own in charge and relegate other groups to the sidelines, or do you think it's just white people who do this?
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Of course, white people are not the only ones who do this.
Obama got 93% of the black vote in 2012. |
And perhaps more importantly, he completely dominated the Black vote in the Democratic primary against Clinton as well. There were 8 states where Obama won the White vote against Clinton, and 3 more where he lost it by less than 3%, but there were zero states where Clinton won the Black vote, nor did she even come close in any of them (the closest was New York, where Blacks favored Obama by a "mere" 24 percentage points). |
Just to clarify here, are you guys making an analysis based a guy being the only non-white out 44 presidents to make your point? To make things balanced, wouldn't you need 43 more non-white presidents?
(I say non-white bc Obama is of mixed background) |
I'm saying it's undeniable fact that Blacks preferred Obama to Clinton based largely upon the color of his skin, while (non-Southern) Whites voted in a much less racially-driven fashion within the context of this primary, and I've provided data to back that position up. |
Didn't he also win the Latin and Hispanic vote too? |
In the primary? According to this:
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| Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, according to an analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center of exit polls taken throughout the primary season. |
But, like White voters, Hispanic voters varied on a state-by-state basis. Hispanics in Connecticut, Illinois, and Virginia, for example, supported Obama over Clinton, albeit by small margins. |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Would you deny that ALL groups potentially have a tendency to want their own in charge and relegate other groups to the sidelines, or do you think it's just white people who do this?
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Of course, white people are not the only ones who do this.
Obama got 93% of the black vote in 2012. |
And perhaps more importantly, he completely dominated the Black vote in the Democratic primary against Clinton as well. There were 8 states where Obama won the White vote against Clinton, and 3 more where he lost it by less than 3%, but there were zero states where Clinton won the Black vote, nor did she even come close in any of them (the closest was New York, where Blacks favored Obama by a "mere" 24 percentage points). |
Just to clarify here, are you guys making an analysis based a guy being the only non-white out 44 presidents to make your point? To make things balanced, wouldn't you need 43 more non-white presidents?
(I say non-white bc Obama is of mixed background) |
I'm saying it's undeniable fact that Blacks preferred Obama to Clinton based largely upon the color of his skin, while (non-Southern) Whites voted in a much less racially-driven fashion within the context of this primary, and I've provided data to back that position up. |
Didn't he also win the Latin and Hispanic vote too? |
In the primary? According to this:
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| Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, according to an analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center of exit polls taken throughout the primary season. |
But, like White voters, Hispanic voters varied on a state-by-state basis. Hispanics in Connecticut, Illinois, and Virginia, for example, supported Obama over Clinton, albeit by small margins. |
Thanks for the links, I wasn't familiar with all of the details regarding US voting procedures... but I was thinking about Obama vs Romney as they were the final presidential candidates, so I figured there might be more dynamics at play (e.g how many blacks are Republican? How many new minorities were able to vote?) etc. I guess it's something I can look up when I have time. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Would you deny that ALL groups potentially have a tendency to want their own in charge and relegate other groups to the sidelines, or do you think it's just white people who do this?
|
Of course, white people are not the only ones who do this.
Obama got 93% of the black vote in 2012. |
And perhaps more importantly, he completely dominated the Black vote in the Democratic primary against Clinton as well. There were 8 states where Obama won the White vote against Clinton, and 3 more where he lost it by less than 3%, but there were zero states where Clinton won the Black vote, nor did she even come close in any of them (the closest was New York, where Blacks favored Obama by a "mere" 24 percentage points). |
Just to clarify here, are you guys making an analysis based a guy being the only non-white out 44 presidents to make your point? To make things balanced, wouldn't you need 43 more non-white presidents?
(I say non-white bc Obama is of mixed background) |
I'm saying it's undeniable fact that Blacks preferred Obama to Clinton based largely upon the color of his skin, while (non-Southern) Whites voted in a much less racially-driven fashion within the context of this primary, and I've provided data to back that position up. |
Didn't he also win the Latin and Hispanic vote too? |
In the primary? According to this:
| Quote: |
| Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, according to an analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center of exit polls taken throughout the primary season. |
But, like White voters, Hispanic voters varied on a state-by-state basis. Hispanics in Connecticut, Illinois, and Virginia, for example, supported Obama over Clinton, albeit by small margins. |
Thanks for the links, I wasn't familiar with all of the details regarding US voting procedures... but I was thinking about Obama vs Romney as they were the final presidential candidates, so I figured there might be more dynamics at play (e.g how many blacks are Republican? How many new minorities were able to vote?) etc. I guess it's something I can look up when I have time. |
cam83, you are racist. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:50 am Post subject: |
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I think its great that Obama is President for the simple fact that it is possible now for someone who is not a white male to be President.
I am used to basically 100% of my political leaders in America not looking like me.
Did you understand what i just said?
I am used to 100% of my political leaders not looking at all like me.
So if someone complains that Obama is black, seriously just go shoot yourself, thats my reaction. Navajo came from a similar area as manchurians, who are the most related to Koreans, so its not like I dont belong in the US historically. Its only that you choose to be ignorant of history and population migrations of America. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| It's racist that Holocaust survivor Roman Polanski didn't make his cast in The Pianist at least 12% black with an Asian male lead instead of Adrien Brody. RAAAAAAAACISM!!!! He doesn't know what it's like to be part of an oppressed group. His whole life has been one of ethnic privilege! RAAAAAAACISM!!!! More black actors and Asian leads in Holocaust movies! NOW!!!! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| It's racist that Holocaust survivor Roman Polanski didn't make his cast in The Pianist at least 12% black with an Asian male lead instead of Adrien Brody. RAAAAAAAACISM!!!! He doesn't know what it's like to be part of an oppressed group. His whole life has been one of ethnic privilege! RAAAAAAACISM!!!! More black actors and Asian leads in Holocaust movies! NOW!!!! |
Again, it ain't necessarily about that, its about movies like Amistad, Last Samurai, The Mexican, etc. where movies featuring another ethnicity and locale are centered around the white perspective and those people and locales are viewed as curious oddities with their weird food and language. Why can't America watch a people about Native Americans/slaves/Japanese/Middle Easterners without having to inject the "from the lens of a white guy as the star" into it? Why not just watch a movie with an entirely Native American/African-American/Japanese/Syrian cast? Why not have one of them be the true protagonist and a European-American be a fringe character on the sides? The obvious answer is marketing. But then the question follows- Why can't audiences accept that?
Plenty of us here in Korea have no problem watching Korean actors in movies. We all know fans of foreign films back home, but they aren't the majority. Why is that so? Koreans have no problem watching American movies with no Koreans. Why is it so hard to successfully market movies without that "white perspective" in America? |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
| It's racist that Holocaust survivor Roman Polanski didn't make his cast in The Pianist at least 12% black with an Asian male lead instead of Adrien Brody. RAAAAAAAACISM!!!! He doesn't know what it's like to be part of an oppressed group. His whole life has been one of ethnic privilege! RAAAAAAACISM!!!! More black actors and Asian leads in Holocaust movies! NOW!!!! |
So are you saying that all movies should be about the holocaust now? You seem to imply that?
Also, are you talking about ashkem jews? I am somewhat more interested in Jews at the time of Christ. They were not ashkem.
Of course if you want to buy into the false myth that European Jews did not exist before 1000 AD then I suppose we have more points about movie realism we should address. |
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goat
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| EZE wrote: |
| It's racist that Holocaust survivor Roman Polanski didn't make his cast in The Pianist at least 12% black with an Asian male lead instead of Adrien Brody. RAAAAAAAACISM!!!! He doesn't know what it's like to be part of an oppressed group. His whole life has been one of ethnic privilege! RAAAAAAACISM!!!! More black actors and Asian leads in Holocaust movies! NOW!!!! |
Again, it ain't necessarily about that, its about movies like Amistad, Last Samurai, The Mexican, etc. where movies featuring another ethnicity and locale are centered around the white perspective and those people and locales are viewed as curious oddities with their weird food and language. Why can't America watch a people about Native Americans/slaves/Japanese/Middle Easterners without having to inject the "from the lens of a white guy as the star" into it? Why not just watch a movie with an entirely Native American/African-American/Japanese/Syrian cast? Why not have one of them be the true protagonist and a European-American be a fringe character on the sides? The obvious answer is marketing. But then the question follows- Why can't audiences accept that?
Plenty of us here in Korea have no problem watching Korean actors in movies. We all know fans of foreign films back home, but they aren't the majority. Why is that so? Koreans have no problem watching American movies with no Koreans. Why is it so hard to successfully market movies without that "white perspective" in America? |
I don't know. Maybe because Roy Rogers or Hopalong Cassidy just wouldn't appeal as Asian. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| goat wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| EZE wrote: |
| It's racist that Holocaust survivor Roman Polanski didn't make his cast in The Pianist at least 12% black with an Asian male lead instead of Adrien Brody. RAAAAAAAACISM!!!! He doesn't know what it's like to be part of an oppressed group. His whole life has been one of ethnic privilege! RAAAAAAACISM!!!! More black actors and Asian leads in Holocaust movies! NOW!!!! |
Again, it ain't necessarily about that, its about movies like Amistad, Last Samurai, The Mexican, etc. where movies featuring another ethnicity and locale are centered around the white perspective and those people and locales are viewed as curious oddities with their weird food and language. Why can't America watch a people about Native Americans/slaves/Japanese/Middle Easterners without having to inject the "from the lens of a white guy as the star" into it? Why not just watch a movie with an entirely Native American/African-American/Japanese/Syrian cast? Why not have one of them be the true protagonist and a European-American be a fringe character on the sides? The obvious answer is marketing. But then the question follows- Why can't audiences accept that?
Plenty of us here in Korea have no problem watching Korean actors in movies. We all know fans of foreign films back home, but they aren't the majority. Why is that so? Koreans have no problem watching American movies with no Koreans. Why is it so hard to successfully market movies without that "white perspective" in America? |
I don't know. Maybe because Roy Rogers or Hopalong Cassidy just wouldn't appeal as Asian. |
But we aren't talking cowboy movies, we're talking about movies set in Japan or the Middle East, or about slavery. Movies where all the side characters and the critical outcomes are affecting non-whites, yet the protagonist and point of view we see it is from a white perspective. |
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