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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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How many racist statements are in the article?:
1. " the reporters clamored to get out of the business lounge ― making a lot of noise, I’m sure, as Asians usually seem to do when they get together abroad..."
2. "they had already known that this boisterous group of loud and probably less-than-attractive Asian reporters "
3. "compared to their blond, long-legged European counterparts anyway"
4. "Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else"
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And there is no evidence to show that Lufthansa was racist. "Lufthansa also said they don’t make public announcements in the business lounge in order not to disturb the other guests. " |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
How many racist statements are in the article?:
1. " the reporters clamored to get out of the business lounge ― making a lot of noise, I’m sure, as Asians usually seem to do when they get together abroad..."
2. "they had already known that this boisterous group of loud and probably less-than-attractive Asian reporters "
3. "compared to their blond, long-legged European counterparts anyway"
4. "Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else" |
Yeah, I noticed that, too. It's like, you're trying to defend these dummies, why call them ugly and noisy? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct?
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Maybe if there was an incident when a young maverick pilot on a US airline ignored protocol and direct orders from his superiors and strayed from the flight path to help a colleague in another plane in trouble because friendship is more important than the rule book, then you could blame it on American culture. |
Actually, American pilots are loathe to criticize each other or comment as each pilot's plane is considered their own and they have final say.
If you think this kind of issue couldn't happen in an American-operated aircraft, you are delusional. |
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AfroBurrito
Joined: 19 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| I can't believe that article was even printed. |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
How many racist statements are in the article?:
1. " the reporters clamored to get out of the business lounge ― making a lot of noise, I’m sure, as Asians usually seem to do when they get together abroad..."
2. "they had already known that this boisterous group of loud and probably less-than-attractive Asian reporters "
3. "compared to their blond, long-legged European counterparts anyway"
4. "Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else" |
Yeah, I noticed that, too. It's like, you're trying to defend these dummies, why call them ugly and noisy? |
Pretty sure it was a Korean who wrote that article, so she's allowed to say that. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Not a strictly Asian phenomenon. It took a serious yahoo doing it repeatedly for people to start to speak up, and its used as an example of inadequate crew resource management.
Again, every accident and mishap here seems to be cited as culture, but when that happens back home, we just think its bad individuals.
If it is culture, I think its more an issue of military and hierarchical cultures than Confucian. |
Confucian culture is hierarchical, Herr G-lite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtQcK-84tQ&list=UUSEu_9uWST6nOtHbjYLvG5A |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| This article and the "Frozen is racist" article are just fallout from Yuna Kim not being given the gold medal. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Not a strictly Asian phenomenon. It took a serious yahoo doing it repeatedly for people to start to speak up, and its used as an example of inadequate crew resource management.
Again, every accident and mishap here seems to be cited as culture, but when that happens back home, we just think its bad individuals.
If it is culture, I think its more an issue of military and hierarchical cultures than Confucian. |
Confucian culture is hierarchical, Herr G-lite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtQcK-84tQ&list=UUSEu_9uWST6nOtHbjYLvG5A |
All cultures have hierarchy, its in our DNA. Some are more egalitarian than others, but all of them do. If you don't think there is hierarchy in a Western cockpit and in Western militaries, then you're delusional. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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As to the article, the writer says racism was the first thing that popped into his mind. This seems to be, from my experience, the way many Koreans think.
The guy at the sandwich shop in the U.S. asks you to hurry up and make up your mind because there's a lot of people waiting, he's racist.
The people in the Netherlands yelling at you to get over on your bike because you're going slower than everyone else, they're racist.
the secretaries in you university office who don't stand up and bow when you enter, who don't rush to accommodate your every need, they're racist.
The other children who tease you for whatever, such as smelling like garlic all the time, they're racist.
Could it be because Koreans are racist and so think everyone else probably it too? Enquiring minds want to know. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| This process took more than 10 minutes, so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else, they could not understand why they could not take that 10 minutes to board, which would have made everyone happy. |
BAHAHAHBAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHBAHABHBAHHAHHA
wait...
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
seriously? |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| This process took more than 10 minutes, so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else, they could not understand why they could not take that 10 minutes to board, which would have made everyone happy. |
Let's speculate further: Most of the Koreans had carry-on baggage plus the fact that they all likely had duty free shopping bags which would have took the flight attendants a very long time to accommodate them in the overhead bins because they were LATE and all the bins were pretty full.
Then they need reminding that seats should be in the upright position for take-off and to put their seat belts on. Got to turn that phone off, too.
Just my observations from flying with Korean passengers. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Not a strictly Asian phenomenon. It took a serious yahoo doing it repeatedly for people to start to speak up, and its used as an example of inadequate crew resource management.
Again, every accident and mishap here seems to be cited as culture, but when that happens back home, we just think its bad individuals.
If it is culture, I think its more an issue of military and hierarchical cultures than Confucian. |
Confucian culture is hierarchical, Herr G-lite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtQcK-84tQ&list=UUSEu_9uWST6nOtHbjYLvG5A |
All cultures have hierarchy, its in our DNA. Some are more egalitarian than others, but all of them do. If you don't think there is hierarchy in a Western cockpit and in Western militaries, then you're delusional. |
A very weak non-denial denial, Herr G-Lite. Anyone who can think realizes there's much much more to Western culure than the military while Confucianism permeates all of Korean culture. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Not a strictly Asian phenomenon. It took a serious yahoo doing it repeatedly for people to start to speak up, and its used as an example of inadequate crew resource management.
Again, every accident and mishap here seems to be cited as culture, but when that happens back home, we just think its bad individuals.
If it is culture, I think its more an issue of military and hierarchical cultures than Confucian. |
Confucian culture is hierarchical, Herr G-lite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtQcK-84tQ&list=UUSEu_9uWST6nOtHbjYLvG5A |
All cultures have hierarchy, its in our DNA. Some are more egalitarian than others, but all of them do. If you don't think there is hierarchy in a Western cockpit and in Western militaries, then you're delusional. |
A very weak non-denial denial, Herr G-Lite. Anyone who can think realizes there's much much more to Western culure than the military while Confucianism permeates all of Korean culture. |
I'd say consumerism and capitalism permeate Korean society far more than Confucianism. And hierarchy and dominance isn't just found in the military in Western culture.
And nice to see that you are now giving me nicknames comparing me to Josef Goebbels. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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This sums it up pretty well:
"Take note, world: Kim Ji-hyun also has a dream. It is a nonsensical, whiny, rambling, hungover sort of dream, but it is dream nonetheless. Kim has a dream that one day, groups of Korean journalists will be able to make as much noise and drink as much free scotch as they like in airport business lounges and be untroubled by the need to follow very basic instructions or behave in anything like a professional manner. He has a dream that one day Korean men will be judged not by the color of their skin, or by the content of their character, but by the fact that they are older than you are, and male. Further, he has a dream that whenever Korean men are inconvenienced entirely as a result of their own stupidity, they get to blame everyone but themselves, and display such a lack of self-awareness that they see no shame in writing a peevish, petty and inept column about it in a national newspaper."
http://www.expathell.com/?p=6568 |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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It's another double standard. The whole "This is not your country! You must respect our unique culture!" goes out the window when the shoe is on the other foot.
Nearly everyone knows the reputation the Germans have for extreme punctuality, and travel guides heavily emphasize punctuality in Germany for people who are unfamiliar with German culture.
Even during WWII, German pilots had a reputation for punctuality with anyone who experienced their air raids. Civilians and soldiers alike noted how predictable the air raids were, almost to the minute, because of how anal retentive the Germans were about flight schedules. The Germans have been extremely punctual for a long, long time now. It's not like they waited until 2014 to do things on time with the motivation of intentionally stranding a group of Koreans showing up late.
Koreans are becoming the new Americans, spoiled brats who loudly believe the world should revolve around them and cater to them both at home and abroad. |
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