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atwood
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Basically look at how Woody Allen is still popular and that goes to show you everything that is wrong with America.
If Woody Allen was Korean and he married his wife's daughter in Korea, Korean women would roast him alive and no one would ever hear of him again.
But American women simply lack the group power to fight a little twerp like Woody Allen. Liberal whites give him a pass because he is white. Thats just sad. |
Great derail. Two snaps up. |
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atwood
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No, I feel like there have been more than enough Holocaust movies, but if another one is made (and without a doubt it will be), I'll probably watch it. Nobody here is saying Jews didn't exist in Europe before 1000. The year 70 was probably when Jews migrated to Europe in large numbers. But that has nothing to do with my post. You're wallowing in self-pity about being an ethnic Asian and whining about Polanski living a life of ethnic privilege when Polanski survived the Holocaust. German soldiers even used him for target practice. But I'm sure your life as an Asian in the USA has been so much harder than his life. Another poster keeps talking about slavery. His father wasn't a slave. Roman Polanski's father was a slave. |
Oh. European Jews did not exist before 1000 AD. Ashkenazi Jews were a sort of "Affirmative Action Jew", since there were no white Jews at the time.
The Jews at the time of Christ were not European at all. They in fact looked middle eastern, and had dark hair. The original Jews, i.e. Sumerians of Abraham actually spoke an Altaic language closely related to Mongolian and Korean. It was only 1000 years later after Christ died, we had actual European White Jews, who were sort of added without any biblical permission in a "we are the world" moment.
Btw, massacres in Nanjing and by the Japanese are way more gruesome and horrible than any by Hitler. Yet for some reason, although both are foreign horrors, we hear about one way more than the other... |
Yes, we hear about Nanjing on pretty much a daily basis. |
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byrddogs
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| However, Korean audiences regularly flock to foreign movies- Avatar, Frozen, Transformers, Gravity, etc. They are much more open-minded when it comes to subtitles and non-Korean speaking entertainers. |
Flocking to watch Hollywood blockbusters = much more open-minded to viewing with subtitles and non same ethnicity entertainers? SMH |
Why does the idea that Koreans might possibly be more open-minded in some ways bother you so much? |
It doesn't in the least. I found the thought purported to be odd. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| However, Korean audiences regularly flock to foreign movies- Avatar, Frozen, Transformers, Gravity, etc. They are much more open-minded when it comes to subtitles and non-Korean speaking entertainers. |
Flocking to watch Hollywood blockbusters = much more open-minded to viewing with subtitles and non same ethnicity entertainers? SMH |
Why does the idea that Koreans might possibly be more open-minded in some ways bother you so much? |
Can't you see the ridiculousness of your position, Herr G-lite?
Those are movies that by their very nature appeal to wide audiences everywhere. If they had movie theaters on Mars, these are the movies they'd be watching.
Word to the wise--it's not a great idea to use the word flock in a sentence about Koreans. Birds of a feather flock together and all that.
Don't forget if the star of a movie visits Korea and says a few complimentary things, that really boosts audiences for his or her movie. That's not open-mindedness. |
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Captain Corea
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ghostrider
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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The original Jews, i.e. Sumerians of Abraham actually spoke an Altaic language closely related to Mongolian and Korean. It was only 1000 years later after Christ died, we had actual European White Jews, who were sort of added without any biblical permission in a "we are the world" moment.
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"Korea's nationalism is still strong today, and some extreme nationalists have pretty far-fetched theories about the origins and forgotten history of the Korean people.....You'll learn for example that 'There is a country called Sumiliguk. Some claim that Sumiliguk is the old Sumer civilization. According to this declaration, people of Sumer who has built up the Mesopotamia civilization are ethnic ancestors of Korea.' To further prove this link between ancient Sumer and Korea, several blogs I found also have a list of Ancient Sumerian words closely resembling modern Korean words....These theories are wrong on so many levels I dare not even enter into too much detail.... There is no evidence linking Korean to Sumerian and comparing words used in Korea in the 21st century to words from a language that went extinct more than 3000 years ago is pretty much against all linguistic common sense."
http://koreabridge.net/post/korean-nationalism-when-world-was-korean-intraman
So we know where Jongno2bucheon is getting his information from. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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The original Jews, i.e. Sumerians of Abraham actually spoke an Altaic language closely related to Mongolian and Korean. It was only 1000 years later after Christ died, we had actual European White Jews, who were sort of added without any biblical permission in a "we are the world" moment.
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"Korea's nationalism is still strong today, and some extreme nationalists have pretty far-fetched theories about the origins and forgotten history of the Korean people.....You'll learn for example that 'There is a country called Sumiliguk. Some claim that Sumiliguk is the old Sumer civilization. According to this declaration, people of Sumer who has built up the Mesopotamia civilization are ethnic ancestors of Korea.' To further prove this link between ancient Sumer and Korea, several blogs I found also have a list of Ancient Sumerian words closely resembling modern Korean words....These theories are wrong on so many levels I dare not even enter into too much detail.... There is no evidence linking Korean to Sumerian and comparing words used in Korea in the 21st century to words from a language that went extinct more than 3000 years ago is pretty much against all linguistic common sense."
http://koreabridge.net/post/korean-nationalism-when-world-was-korean-intraman
So we know where Jongno2bucheon is getting his information from. |
Occams Razor.
Sumerian is an altaic language related to hungarian, turkish, mongolian and korean. We all know hungarians and turks were mongolian nomads who mixed with the locals.
Occams razor my friend.
The 12 tribes of israel was actually trying to be inclusive of everyone. But alas, that spirit was lost by many unorthodox jews with ashkem heritage. Obviously a reversion back to inclusiveness is necessary. ^^ |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Yeah, like I said, Frozen and Avatar. And I bet if we looked at numbers 100-11, we'd see a lot more foreign films. I don't think we can deny that the viewership for foreign films is much more extensive here and people are much more accepting of them. It's not a big deal to go see a foreign movie. It won't elicit groans from your friends and people griping how things are in a different language and they have to be bothered to read subtitles.
And the box office numbers suggest the market for foreign films is robust, this in spite of a quality, well-regarded domestic cinema industry.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/korea/yearly/?yr=2012&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/korea/yearly/?yr=2013&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/korea/yearly/?yr=2014&p=.htm
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Those are movies that by their very nature appeal to wide audiences everywhere. If they had movie theaters on Mars, these are the movies they'd be watching.
Word to the wise--it's not a great idea to use the word flock in a sentence about Koreans. Birds of a feather flock together and all that.
Don't forget if the star of a movie visits Korea and says a few complimentary things, that really boosts audiences for his or her movie. That's not open-mindedness. |
First, doesn't that speak well of the Korean audience- that they value entertainment, regardless of national origin or language? That they just want to see a fun movie?
And doesn't that speak of ill of our countries back home? So you're saying movie made in France, Russia, Japan, and Korea that are excellent don't sell in the US because they aren't good enough? You're saying a movie like the French movie 'Chrysalis' wouldn't do well if the actors spoke English and it was Jake Gyllenhaal in it instead?
Why is it so hard to accept the idea that audiences in English-speaking nations, and America especially, are less open-minded to foreign films and content than other countries, including S. Korea. Is that because it destroys the simple-minded narrative of Koreans always being xenophobic bigots who can't stand anything foreign and us hailing from countries that are beacons of tolerance and open-mindedness? If there is a prima facie case for some examples of bigotry by South Koreans, which people here are so quick to accept, then there certainly is one for greater tolerance in movies here and less tolerance back home.
Also, look at how familiar children here are with Western folk tales. Now compare that to back home and non-European folk tales. Seems Korean kids are much more open and willing to enjoy foreign folk tales than their American counterparts. Same with religion. We could learn a thing or three from them when it comes to foreign films, foreign literature, and foreign religions and tolerance.
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Occams Razor.
Sumerian is an altaic language related to hungarian, turkish, mongolian and korean. We all know hungarians and turks were mongolian nomads who mixed with the locals.
Occams razor my friend.
The 12 tribes of israel was actually trying to be inclusive of everyone. But alas, that spirit was lost by many unorthodox jews with ashkem heritage. Obviously a reversion back to inclusiveness is necessary. ^^ |
Dude, what the heck are you going on about? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, like I said, Frozen and Avatar. And I bet if we looked at numbers 100-11, we'd see a lot more foreign films. I don't think we can deny that the viewership for foreign films is much more extensive here and people are much more accepting of them. It's not a big deal to go see a foreign movie. It won't elicit groans from your friends and people griping how things are in a different language and they have to be bothered to read subtitles.
And the box office numbers suggest the market for foreign films is robust, this in spite of a quality, well-regarded domestic cinema industry.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/korea/yearly/?yr=2012&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/korea/yearly/?yr=2013&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/korea/yearly/?yr=2014&p=.htm
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Those are movies that by their very nature appeal to wide audiences everywhere. If they had movie theaters on Mars, these are the movies they'd be watching.
Word to the wise--it's not a great idea to use the word flock in a sentence about Koreans. Birds of a feather flock together and all that.
Don't forget if the star of a movie visits Korea and says a few complimentary things, that really boosts audiences for his or her movie. That's not open-mindedness. |
First, doesn't that speak well of the Korean audience- that they value entertainment, regardless of national origin or language? That they just want to see a fun movie?
And doesn't that speak of ill of our countries back home? So you're saying movie made in France, Russia, Japan, and Korea that are excellent don't sell in the US because they aren't good enough? You're saying a movie like the French movie 'Chrysalis' wouldn't do well if the actors spoke English and it was Jake Gyllenhaal in it instead?
Why is it so hard to accept the idea that audiences in English-speaking nations, and America especially, are less open-minded to foreign films and content than other countries, including S. Korea. Is that because it destroys the simple-minded narrative of Koreans always being xenophobic bigots who can't stand anything foreign and us hailing from countries that are beacons of tolerance and open-mindedness? If there is a prima facie case for some examples of bigotry by South Koreans, which people here are so quick to accept, then there certainly is one for greater tolerance in movies here and less tolerance back home.
Also, look at how familiar children here are with Western folk tales. Now compare that to back home and non-European folk tales. Seems Korean kids are much more open and willing to enjoy foreign folk tales than their American counterparts. Same with religion. We could learn a thing or three from them when it comes to foreign films, foreign literature, and foreign religions and tolerance.
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Occams Razor.
Sumerian is an altaic language related to hungarian, turkish, mongolian and korean. We all know hungarians and turks were mongolian nomads who mixed with the locals.
Occams razor my friend.
The 12 tribes of israel was actually trying to be inclusive of everyone. But alas, that spirit was lost by many unorthodox jews with ashkem heritage. Obviously a reversion back to inclusiveness is necessary. ^^ |
Dude, what the heck are you going on about? |
Please, Herr G. That Hollywood blockbusters are popular in Korea, and worldwide, only speaks to their unmatched entertainment value, as well as to the great American ideals which so many Hollywood films, Hangover 3 excepted, embody.
Foreign films that can equal those standards find large audiences in the U.S., but it's a very high bar that few can reach. Should we be including American films made in Canada to cut costs here? That's a head-scratcher.
Of course there's also the Korean love for all things American to factor in. Personally, I think that when Korean movies can more realistically copy Hollywood blockbusters, think Polo and Beanpole, then American films will lose audiences here. |
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byrddogs
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Jongno2bucheon
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Occams Razor.
Sumerian is an altaic language related to hungarian, turkish, mongolian and korean. We all know hungarians and turks were mongolian nomads who mixed with the locals.
Occams razor my friend.
The 12 tribes of israel was actually trying to be inclusive of everyone. But alas, that spirit was lost by many unorthodox jews with ashkem heritage. Obviously a reversion back to inclusiveness is necessary. ^^ |
Dude, what the heck are you going on about? |
Its European and Central Asian history. Abraham of the Bible was a Sumerian. Abrahams offspring started the 12 tribes of israel, of which none were european. abraham started the three religions, judaism, islam, and christianity. It gets complcated from there, but the addition of white jews (ashkemnazi jews) around 1000 ad was a sort of "affirmative action" inclusive measure, which some believe was not biblically originated. |
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Jongno2bucheon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Basically look at how Woody Allen is still popular and that goes to show you everything that is wrong with America.
If Woody Allen was Korean and he married his wife's daughter in Korea, Korean women would roast him alive and no one would ever hear of him again.
But American women simply lack the group power to fight a little twerp like Woody Allen. Liberal whites give him a pass because he is white. Thats just sad. |
do you have a problem with a young Korean girl relating to a white character in a disney movie? do you think that is a bad thing? |
I like the movie Frozen. I think the maturity lessons for females are very relevant for Koreans today. But discussions spark further discussions, and this article is written from a perspective of someone living in a white world. Of which none of us are in at the moment. |
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Rockhard
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It's pretty hard to say any cartoon character is a certain race. Cartoon characters are not real and do not resemble real human beings. You'd be hard-pressed in my town of all white people to find anyone who looked remotely like the main character. These characters are representations of ideal human qualities, not the actual appearance of real people. High-cheek bones, strong jaws, ridiculously big eyes, thick flowing hair, tiny noses, puckered lips, interesting eye and hair colours. No race exhibits all of these traits. Change the eye and hair colour of the characters and suddenly their "whiteness" becomes questionable. The same way there is a big difference between a white cartoon character and a real white person is similar to how our idea of a white person is different from the reality. The cartoons depict what we imagine are men and women and whites and blacks. And the world narrative has thus far been very sympathetic to white characters. Mainly because literature and film has its origins in European culture. What I'm trying to say is the bias for white characters is related to the history of entertainment more than it is about racism. Look at Tarzan. This is a book written by a white person about a white person who was depicted in the movie as a white person. The bible depicts Jesus as white, but the "bible" as we know it (King James Version) was written by white people and told to us by white priests. For most, the only connection to Jesus is through a white face or white writing so it's not hard to see how a white Jesus came to be. And when we talking about film and television, almost everything has its origins from some white person so we've already made the connection in our mind that this is a white thing. Thats' where the universality comes from. Not, as he is trying to say, an extension of lingering racists sentiments.
It WAS ridiculous that Tom Cruise played a samurai, but it was a hollywood movie with an English script, so it still worked. If it had been an entirely Japanese movie than I don't think people would have accepted it. |
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Steelrails
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Occams Razor.
Sumerian is an altaic language related to hungarian, turkish, mongolian and korean. We all know hungarians and turks were mongolian nomads who mixed with the locals.
Occams razor my friend.
The 12 tribes of israel was actually trying to be inclusive of everyone. But alas, that spirit was lost by many unorthodox jews with ashkem heritage. Obviously a reversion back to inclusiveness is necessary. ^^ |
Dude, what the heck are you going on about? |
Its European and Central Asian history. Abraham of the Bible was a Sumerian. Abrahams offspring started the 12 tribes of israel, of which none were european. abraham started the three religions, judaism, islam, and christianity. It gets complcated from there, but the addition of white jews (ashkemnazi jews) around 1000 ad was a sort of "affirmative action" inclusive measure, which some believe was not biblically originated.[/quote
What the heck does that have to do with Korea?
(Raises embarrassed glass to byrddogs and atwood and mumbles something about 'derailment')
Still...
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| Please, Herr G. That Hollywood blockbusters are popular in Korea, and worldwide, only speaks to their unmatched entertainment value, as well as to the great American ideals which so many Hollywood films, Hangover 3 excepted, embody. |
So you're saying that only America produces quality cinema? May I ask in detail what it is that makes American movies so superior to the rest of the world's cinema? And what ideals are expressed in American cinema that aren't expressed in other countries?
You do realize that in your statement, you are also suggesting that French, Italian, Japanese, German, etc. films lack quality and ideals. Something that I don't think is the case. I think its far more likely that it is intolerance in American audiences that accounts for the discrepancy, rather than a lack of quality or values in non-English language cinema.
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| Foreign films that can equal those standards find large audiences in the U.S. |
No, they don't. They have to really build on something and catch magic in a bottle. Things have gotten better recently, but America is still light years behind the rest of the world in tolerance and openmindedness when it comes to cinema and other media.
Again, why is that so hard for you to accept? Stop apologizing for American bigotry.
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| Personally, I think that when Korean movies can more realistically copy Hollywood blockbusters, think Polo and Beanpole, then American films will lose audiences here |
I don't. I regularly see Italian, Indian, French, Chinese, and other movies on cable TV here with Korean subtitles. While Hollywood films are king of foreign cinema at the box office, there is far more foreign language cinema on TV and a greater diversity than back home. Fact is that Korean audiences are far more open-minded and accepting of foreign cinema than American audiences. Again, why does that bother you?
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Fact is that we are loathe to admit and overlook it, but when it comes to acceptance of foreign folklore, entertainment, and religion, Koreans are far more tolerant and open-minded than our countries are back home. They can teach their kids Hansel and Gretel and Hengbu and Nolbu and not bat an eye. They can watch 'The Chaser' one day and 'Avatar' the next and its no big deal and their friends won't pitch a fit. They can adapt foreign names for themselves readily, but for Americans, that would be really uncomfortable. Having regular news updates about one country in particular's events is not a big deal for them, but would draw puzzled stares back home. While there are some issues with US soldiers here it is generally okay, where as if Mexico was to open a permanent military base in America, we'd impeach the president. They can have political rallies and sports games without needing a police presence to separate people. They will actually apologize for not speaking good enough English, even though they live in Korea. Can you imagine the reverse back home? They can have 35% of their country be another religion without it descending into sectarian violence. Koreans can have their president be Buddhist or a Christian or an Atheist, and they've done it all within 20 years. We've had one non-Protestant Christian President in 200 years. Our President goes to church and because of his name, people think he's a Muslim and thus unfit for the office.
Now, they do have their problems with xenophobia. But the gap between them and us when it comes to xenophobia is not as great as the gap between them and us when it comes to the things mentioned above.
In short, in many ways they're better than us and we are loathe to admit it. We can't fathom it or accept it, but it's there. We say they need to learn from us, but in many ways we need to learn from them. Just as there are some things which Koreans are loathe to admit and the truth hurts too much, this may be the case for us. |
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atwood
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Occams Razor.
Sumerian is an altaic language related to hungarian, turkish, mongolian and korean. We all know hungarians and turks were mongolian nomads who mixed with the locals.
Occams razor my friend.
The 12 tribes of israel was actually trying to be inclusive of everyone. But alas, that spirit was lost by many unorthodox jews with ashkem heritage. Obviously a reversion back to inclusiveness is necessary. ^^ |
Dude, what the heck are you going on about? |
Its European and Central Asian history. Abraham of the Bible was a Sumerian. Abrahams offspring started the 12 tribes of israel, of which none were european. abraham started the three religions, judaism, islam, and christianity. It gets complcated from there, but the addition of white jews (ashkemnazi jews) around 1000 ad was a sort of "affirmative action" inclusive measure, which some believe was not biblically originated.[/quote
What the heck does that have to do with Korea?
(Raises embarrassed glass to byrddogs and atwood and mumbles something about 'derailment')
Still...
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| Please, Herr G. That Hollywood blockbusters are popular in Korea, and worldwide, only speaks to their unmatched entertainment value, as well as to the great American ideals which so many Hollywood films, Hangover 3 excepted, embody. |
So you're saying that only America produces quality cinema? May I ask in detail what it is that makes American movies so superior to the rest of the world's cinema? And what ideals are expressed in American cinema that aren't expressed in other countries?
You do realize that in your statement, you are also suggesting that French, Italian, Japanese, German, etc. films lack quality and ideals. Something that I don't think is the case. I think its far more likely that it is intolerance in American audiences that accounts for the discrepancy, rather than a lack of quality or values in non-English language cinema.
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| Foreign films that can equal those standards find large audiences in the U.S. |
No, they don't. They have to really build on something and catch magic in a bottle. Things have gotten better recently, but America is still light years behind the rest of the world in tolerance and openmindedness when it comes to cinema and other media.
Again, why is that so hard for you to accept? Stop apologizing for American bigotry.
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| Personally, I think that when Korean movies can more realistically copy Hollywood blockbusters, think Polo and Beanpole, then American films will lose audiences here |
I don't. I regularly see Italian, Indian, French, Chinese, and other movies on cable TV here with Korean subtitles. While Hollywood films are king of foreign cinema at the box office, there is far more foreign language cinema on TV and a greater diversity than back home. Fact is that Korean audiences are far more open-minded and accepting of foreign cinema than American audiences. Again, why does that bother you?
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Fact is that we are loathe to admit and overlook it, but when it comes to acceptance of foreign folklore, entertainment, and religion, Koreans are far more tolerant and open-minded than our countries are back home. They can teach their kids Hansel and Gretel and Hengbu and Nolbu and not bat an eye. They can watch 'The Chaser' one day and 'Avatar' the next and its no big deal and their friends won't pitch a fit. They can adapt foreign names for themselves readily, but for Americans, that would be really uncomfortable. Having regular news updates about one country in particular's events is not a big deal for them, but would draw puzzled stares back home. While there are some issues with US soldiers here it is generally okay, where as if Mexico was to open a permanent military base in America, we'd impeach the president. They can have political rallies and sports games without needing a police presence to separate people. They will actually apologize for not speaking good enough English, even though they live in Korea. Can you imagine the reverse back home? They can have 35% of their country be another religion without it descending into sectarian violence. Koreans can have their president be Buddhist or a Christian or an Atheist, and they've done it all within 20 years. We've had one non-Protestant Christian President in 200 years. Our President goes to church and because of his name, people think he's a Muslim and thus unfit for the office.
Now, they do have their problems with xenophobia. But the gap between them and us when it comes to xenophobia is not as great as the gap between them and us when it comes to the things mentioned above.
In short, in many ways they're better than us and we are loathe to admit it. We can't fathom it or accept it, but it's there. We say they need to learn from us, but in many ways we need to learn from them. Just as there are some things which Koreans are loathe to admit and the truth hurts too much, this may be the case for us. |
You just have better cable here than you do did in the U.S. so you get more foreign movies. it's not like you couldn't get all those same movies with Netflix or another such service back in the U.S.
There were far more foreign movies available in my hometown through regular showings at the theatres, special showings at theatres and universities, etc. than there are in Seoul, a city of ten times the size.
Facts are, people vote with their wallets. And they vote Hollywood because that's what they like. You don't have to be open-minded to enjoy Avatar, which by the way is a pretty anti-American movie.
As for the rest, you've gone completely off your rocker when you say they have political rallies without a police presence. They call out the whole militia in Seoul when there's a rally.
You are doing triple back-flips to prove the superior open-mindedness of Koreans and it just ain't happening because it just ain't so. Would you like kimchi with that crow you're always eating on this forum? |
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