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sligo
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Forget the racial eelement, (if it even exists) and ask the question: 10 men missed a flight, is this news?
What next, man runs for a bus but the bus pulls out befoore he gets there, bus drivers are racist? |
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| All ten of them thought the time on their tickets was the boarding time instead of the time on their boarding passes. And these are foreign correspondents? |
No, the eldest probably made the mistake and the younger members (who were already too scared to wear sunglasses on their trip) were probably too afraid to point out the ineptitude of tnen elder dudes.
Also, a kountry that has a term for beinng persistantly late (Korea time), and the lowest productivity rate of the developped world is being describes as: "putting efficiency above all else" har di har di ha! |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Not a strictly Asian phenomenon. It took a serious yahoo doing it repeatedly for people to start to speak up, and its used as an example of inadequate crew resource management.
Again, every accident and mishap here seems to be cited as culture, but when that happens back home, we just think its bad individuals.
If it is culture, I think its more an issue of military and hierarchical cultures than Confucian. |
Confucian culture is hierarchical, Herr G-lite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtQcK-84tQ&list=UUSEu_9uWST6nOtHbjYLvG5A |
All cultures have hierarchy, its in our DNA. Some are more egalitarian than others, but all of them do. If you don't think there is hierarchy in a Western cockpit and in Western militaries, then you're delusional. |
A very weak non-denial denial, Herr G-Lite. Anyone who can think realizes there's much much more to Western culure than the military while Confucianism permeates all of Korean culture. |
I'd say consumerism and capitalism permeate Korean society far more than Confucianism. And hierarchy and dominance isn't just found in the military in Western culture.
And nice to see that you are now giving me nicknames comparing me to Josef Goebbels. |
Capitalism? What are you on about now Herr G?
So all those reserved seats on the subway and now buses are consumerism-based? And as everyone in Korea knows, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
For more, see the thread about how much you give your stepparents.
As for your continued nonsense about the West, a simple question: How do you address your principal, vice-principal etc.? I bet it's not Hi Bob, which would be the standard in the U.S.
Enough with the derailing, casey jones. Get back on board with the facts. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Capitalism? What are you on about now Herr G?
So all those reserved seats on the subway and now buses are consumerism-based? And as everyone in Korea knows, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
For more, see the thread about how much you give your stepparents.
As for your continued nonsense about the West, a simple question: How do you address your principal, vice-principal etc.? I bet it's not Hi Bob, which would be the standard in the U.S.
Enough with the derailing, casey jones. Get back on board with the facts. |
Yes, seats for the handicapped and disabled are clearly a Korean and not a western phenomenon. And of course, back home, from day one at a new job, I'd just go up to the President of GM and slap him on the back and say 'Hey Bob'. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Descendants of Northern European countries can plan ahead and show up on time because their ancestors had to plan and keep schedules to survive harsh winters. Conversely descendants of Latin Americans and Africans do not plan ahead (yes this is a generalization), due to their ancestors' ability to find food year round in more tropical climates. Maybe Koreans fit into this somehow. IDK. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Capitalism? What are you on about now Herr G?
So all those reserved seats on the subway and now buses are consumerism-based? And as everyone in Korea knows, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
For more, see the thread about how much you give your stepparents.
As for your continued nonsense about the West, a simple question: How do you address your principal, vice-principal etc.? I bet it's not Hi Bob, which would be the standard in the U.S.
Enough with the derailing, casey jones. Get back on board with the facts. |
Yes, seats for the handicapped and disabled are clearly a Korean and not a western phenomenon. And of course, back home, from day one at a new job, I'd just go up to the President of GM and slap him on the back and say 'Hey Bob'. |
So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:33 am Post subject: |
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So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
I'm not deriding your job; I'm deriding the lunacy of your example.
Why not just answer the question instead of squirting the crocodile tears? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
I'm not deriding your job; I'm deriding the lunacy of your example.
Why not just answer the question instead of squirting the crocodile tears? |
I address people as Mr. or Ms./Mrs., unless I am close with them. Maybe sir or ma'am if they are ranked above me. Heck, I addressed my elementary students as Mr. and Miss. When it comes to the job, I'm not one for back slapping and pointless displays of affection. We're here to do a job, and until we develop a relationship, we're colleagues, not friends.
I don't even know what you're getting at here atwood- Are you saying there isn't hierarchy back home?
Anyways, my point stands that consumerism and capitalism are by far the dominant forces in Korean society. If it was as Confucian-based as you say, it would look a lot more different. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
I'm not deriding your job; I'm deriding the lunacy of your example.
Why not just answer the question instead of squirting the crocodile tears? |
I address people as Mr. or Ms./Mrs., unless I am close with them. Maybe sir or ma'am if they are ranked above me. Heck, I addressed my elementary students as Mr. and Miss. When it comes to the job, I'm not one for back slapping and pointless displays of affection. We're here to do a job, and until we develop a relationship, we're colleagues, not friends.
I don't even know what you're getting at here atwood- Are you saying there isn't hierarchy back home?
Anyways, my point stands that consumerism and capitalism are by far the dominant forces in Korean society. If it was as Confucian-based as you say, it would look a lot more different. |
No, your point doesn't stand because you've done nothing to support it.
Present-day Korean culture is based on Joseon-era culture which was Confucian. Filial piety lives on in the government, the family, the schools and in industry. They are all heirarchical.
Most Koreans still worship their ancestors in one form or another--Confucian.
As for consumerism, think about it. It;s a top-down movement in Korea begun with the government as a way to grow the economy. Another example of Confucianism. Capitalism here is controlled by the government, the big father (mother these days) in Seoul--Confucianism.
Since you use honorifics with people you're "not close to me" (You even used Konglish in your dodge to my question--nice Herr G!) how about a little Mr. Atwood from now on? That colleague bit is fooling no one, though. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
I'm not deriding your job; I'm deriding the lunacy of your example.
Why not just answer the question instead of squirting the crocodile tears? |
I address people as Mr. or Ms./Mrs., unless I am close with them. Maybe sir or ma'am if they are ranked above me. Heck, I addressed my elementary students as Mr. and Miss. When it comes to the job, I'm not one for back slapping and pointless displays of affection. We're here to do a job, and until we develop a relationship, we're colleagues, not friends.
I don't even know what you're getting at here atwood- Are you saying there isn't hierarchy back home?
Anyways, my point stands that consumerism and capitalism are by far the dominant forces in Korean society. If it was as Confucian-based as you say, it would look a lot more different. |
No, your point doesn't stand because you've done nothing to support it.
Present-day Korean culture is based on Joseon-era culture which was Confucian. Filial piety lives on in the government, the family, the schools and in industry. They are all heirarchical.
Most Koreans still worship their ancestors in one form or another--Confucian.
As for consumerism, think about it. It;s a top-down movement in Korea begun with the government as a way to grow the economy. Another example of Confucianism. Capitalism here is controlled by the government, the big father (mother these days) in Seoul--Confucianism.
Since you use honorifics with people you're "not close to me" (You even used Konglish in your dodge to my question--nice Herr G!) how about a little Mr. Atwood from now on? That colleague bit is fooling no one, though. |
atwood, what elements of Joseon-era culture remain have been largely superseded by the global culture of consumerism and mass media that has been brought in since the 1950s. Do you think someone from the Joseon era would hop out of the time machine and feel right at home?
As I mentioned, a North Korean escapee from a gulag remarked how his greatest culture shock was escaping from the gulag into North Korea. From then on he said that North Korea, China, S. Korea, and the U.S. were all basically the same.
And I think the Goebbels bit has run its course- 1) It's name calling, 2) I don't care to be compared to be constantly compared to a Nazi, 3) It's ridiculous to compare someone you're having an internet argument with to a war criminal. Grow up, man. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
I'm not deriding your job; I'm deriding the lunacy of your example.
Why not just answer the question instead of squirting the crocodile tears? |
I address people as Mr. or Ms./Mrs., unless I am close with them. Maybe sir or ma'am if they are ranked above me. Heck, I addressed my elementary students as Mr. and Miss. When it comes to the job, I'm not one for back slapping and pointless displays of affection. We're here to do a job, and until we develop a relationship, we're colleagues, not friends.
I don't even know what you're getting at here atwood- Are you saying there isn't hierarchy back home?
Anyways, my point stands that consumerism and capitalism are by far the dominant forces in Korean society. If it was as Confucian-based as you say, it would look a lot more different. |
No, your point doesn't stand because you've done nothing to support it.
Present-day Korean culture is based on Joseon-era culture which was Confucian. Filial piety lives on in the government, the family, the schools and in industry. They are all heirarchical.
Most Koreans still worship their ancestors in one form or another--Confucian.
As for consumerism, think about it. It;s a top-down movement in Korea begun with the government as a way to grow the economy. Another example of Confucianism. Capitalism here is controlled by the government, the big father (mother these days) in Seoul--Confucianism.
Since you use honorifics with people you're "not close to me" (You even used Konglish in your dodge to my question--nice Herr G!) how about a little Mr. Atwood from now on? That colleague bit is fooling no one, though. |
atwood, what elements of Joseon-era culture remain have been largely superseded by the global culture of consumerism and mass media that has been brought in since the 1950s. Do you think someone from the Joseon era would hop out of the time machine and feel right at home?
As I mentioned, a North Korean escapee from a gulag remarked how his greatest culture shock was escaping from the gulag into North Korea. From then on he said that North Korea, China, S. Korea, and the U.S. were all basically the same.
And I think the Goebbels bit has run its course- 1) It's name calling, 2) I don't care to be compared to be constantly compared to a Nazi, 3) It's ridiculous to compare someone you're having an internet argument with to a war criminal. Grow up, man. |
Herr G-lite, how much time did this North Korean actually spend in China or the U.S.? Next, you're going to be using your local barkeep as a source.
The time machine bit is cute, but once the bowing had begun I bet the guy, armed with a smartphone of course instead of a sword, would fit right in. Sitting on the floor, grilling up some meat, swilling the soju after filling your boss's cup--he'd get it.
So support you statements or shut up. And shine those boots, Reich Minister!
Merci beaucoup. |
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rainman3277
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
I think the reason you are annoying to the point of enraging for atwood is that you seek out any slight against Korea, no matter how mild or even inadvertent, and you concede no criticism on Korea is valid. Whether its Korean, American or heck Sri Lankan, where ever, there are negative points brought about from there culture. If you were openminded the tinniest bit, people would accept your defences of Korea more objectively. As it stands, your name could read "hear he goes again" cause people already know what you are going to say, even before you write your all too often novel sized posts. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
So Ameridans treat the elderly better than Koreans, even with all the filial piety slogans, bells, and teachings? You may just be catching on.
If you were a vice-president at GM, yea. You, of course, with your experience as a pizza maker, would be working in the kitchen and would never see the president.
But why not avoid conjecture and answer the question? How do you address your betters at school? |
atwood, both cultures have facilities for the elderly and disabled on their subways.
And I don't get howmy job that I did during college, working at a pizzeria, is somehow a cause for derision.
It's funny how you claim that things are so much more egalitarian back home, and then mock me for what job I did in college and how low of a position it has.
atwood, I don't have any personal animus towards you. You clearly do to me, and its rather sad that I've managed to get under your skin to the degree that you're comparing me to one of the most notorious Nazi war criminals. I think your mental state is deteriorating if its indeed come to that point. |
I think the reason you are annoying to the point of enraging for atwood is that you seek out any slight against Korea, no matter how mild or even inadvertent, and you concede no criticism on Korea is valid. Whether its Korean, American or heck Sri Lankan, where ever, there are negative points brought about from there culture. If you were openminded the tinniest bit, people would accept your defences of Korea more objectively. As it stands, your name could read "hear he goes again" cause people already know what you are going to say, even before you write your all too often novel sized posts. |
Believe me, I am in no way enraged, although sometimes amazed at the twists and turns, the dodges and deceptions that Herr sr will use to make his apologies.
I hope for his own sake that some Korean group is paying him for his propaganda. It's scary to think he actually believes what he posts. |
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robbie_davies
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For the annoying lack of political correctness and racial tolerance in their own cultural and social spheres, Koreans will shamelessly play the 'race card' when it suits them and their motives. Their hard faced cheek is hard to match.
The 13 newly trained South Korean flight attendants for the soon-to-be-opened Seoul route of Finnair has declined the contract offered by the airline, and all the trainees have already left Finland to return to their home country.
The spokesman of Finland's flight attendant association (SLSY) Mauri Koskenniemi says that the trainees feel that they have been conned by the airline and accuse them of racist discrimination. Koskenniemi says in the article published in Helsingin Sanomat (one of the main newspapers in Finland) that the airline has lured the new FAs to join Finnair work force by giving them a wrong impression of the contract.
When Finnair was asked about the situation, the chief of cabin crew department Kati Lehesmaa admitted that the South Korean trainees have indeed all quit and that the whole training "has gone terribly wrong". The airline, however, does not take all the blame, but says that the recruitment firm (ANC) used in South Korea to recruit the FAs has given false, too rosy, picture of the contract the FAs would be signing with the airline. She does admit, however, that the airline is also to blame: " we should have gone through the contract in detail right in the beginning", she said in the article.
Apparently during recruitment the chosen people were told that they would be signing a permanent contract, when again Finnair was ready to sign only a contract for two years, in order to see how the route succeeds. The trainees were also promised by ANC a monthly fixed salary plus "flight add" depending on the amount of flights done, when again Finnair wanted to pay only this "flight add".
Koskenniemi says: "There are dozens of Asian crew working on Finnair's Asia flights. The first Japanese FAs were hired over 20 years ago. The Asian crew are not members of SLSY, though the association has tried for years to make it possible for them to join the union, which would mean the Finnish contract would be applied to the Asian crew as well."
Lehesmaa says that the opening of the route will now be handled with all-Finnish crews. The airline is in process of recruiting new South Korean FAs, as the they see it is vital to have local crew members on Asian flights, due to service and safety aspects.
The new route goes online June the 2nd.
The article, in Finnish, can be found here: http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/Fi...4tt%C3%A4en+kotiinsa/1135236510375 |
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