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tophatcat
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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:05 pm Post subject: Asiana |
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Asiana Airlines finally admits pilot error. But claims partly fault of Boeing for not having designed to cover their errors. Sort of like the Korean journalists claiming it was the airport's fault for not warning them they were going to be late for not boarding the plane on time, though it was the journalists who had misread the times on their boarding passes.
Koreans always have to save face. |
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Zyzyfer
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Might be worthwhile to throw up a link to an article?
And that's hilarious. Yeah, Boeing basically didn't make a plane that can fly itself. Except that they did and these bozos apparently turned those systems off to manually land.
The Malaysia flight articles have been rather revealing. Comments about the plane being capable of flying on for hours even if the pilots were incapacitated, engines designed to ping back flight data for processing, endlessly redundant systems to ensure things like a plane passively just disappearing cannot occur. But yeah, Boeing was partially at fault here, hahaha.
(Watch me have to eat humble pie after reading the article  ) |
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actionjackson
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Los Angeloser
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Weren't all other pilots from around the world flying the same type of plane able to land at S.F. airport despite what Asiana claims wasn't THIER pilots fault? Of course there has to be a caveat with the admission from the Korean owned Asiana Airlines. I just want to know whether they were drunk because it's not necessary to make them face the breath alyzer? Why was it Asiana Airline pilots fault? Forget it, bypass the details, Koreans don't really care do they? Let's not get into the nitty gritty or the nuts and bolts as to WHY??? Certainly it's not due to Cockpit Culture so what is it?
Too bad Asiana can't tell us that because they must not think their pilots need to be tested for drugs or alcohol even in small fender benders, not to mention deadly crashes or accidents. Let's just face it, Korean pilots couldn't have possibly done any drugs or alcohol because they never do.  |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Weren't all other pilots from around the world flying the same type of plane able to land at S.F. airport despite what Asiana claims wasn't THIER pilots fault? Of course there has to be a caveat with the admission from the Korean owned Asiana Airlines. I just want to know whether they were drunk because it's not necessary to make them face the breath alyzer? Why was it Asiana Airline pilots fault? Forget it, bypass the details, Koreans don't really care do they? Let's not get into the nitty gritty or the nuts and bolts as to WHY??? Certainly it's not due to Cockpit Culture so what is it?
Too bad Asiana can't tell us that because they must not think their pilots need to be tested for drugs or alcohol even in small fender benders, not to mention deadly crashes or accidents. Let's just face it, Korean pilots couldn't have possibly done any drugs or alcohol because they never do. |
To top it off, plenty of Korean pilots for Korean Air and Asiana had made the landing as well. At least thousands of times. Therefore, the question should be- What went wrong with this particular crew on this particular flight? |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Weren't all other pilots from around the world flying the same type of plane able to land at S.F. airport despite what Asiana claims wasn't THIER pilots fault? Of course there has to be a caveat with the admission from the Korean owned Asiana Airlines. I just want to know whether they were drunk because it's not necessary to make them face the breath alyzer? Why was it Asiana Airline pilots fault? Forget it, bypass the details, Koreans don't really care do they? Let's not get into the nitty gritty or the nuts and bolts as to WHY??? Certainly it's not due to Cockpit Culture so what is it?
Too bad Asiana can't tell us that because they must not think their pilots need to be tested for drugs or alcohol even in small fender benders, not to mention deadly crashes or accidents. Let's just face it, Korean pilots couldn't have possibly done any drugs or alcohol because they never do. |
To top it off, plenty of Korean pilots for Korean Air and Asiana had made the landing as well. At least thousands of times. Therefore, the question should be- What went wrong with this particular crew on this particular flight? |
uuuhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe the plane was in trouble because of pilot error and when the junior noticed it he was scared to bring it to his senior's attention because it's not culturally acceptable |
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Stain
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Of course it wasn't pilot error, according to Asiana, but can you imagine the shame ceremony for the junior who failed to let the seniors know about it in time? |
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Jongno2bucheon
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| Well, the issue here is the legal system of the US. You cannot expose yourself to endless lawsuits. Resignations and apologies dont work in the US. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| Well, the issue here is the legal system of the US. You cannot expose yourself to endless lawsuits. Resignations and apologies dont work in the US. |
We crashed a plane into your airport but we don't want to be accountable for it because your legal system wants to hold us accountable.
The old, sorry Judge but we were drinking so it's not our fault, … |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| tophatcat wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Weren't all other pilots from around the world flying the same type of plane able to land at S.F. airport despite what Asiana claims wasn't THIER pilots fault? Of course there has to be a caveat with the admission from the Korean owned Asiana Airlines. I just want to know whether they were drunk because it's not necessary to make them face the breath alyzer? Why was it Asiana Airline pilots fault? Forget it, bypass the details, Koreans don't really care do they? Let's not get into the nitty gritty or the nuts and bolts as to WHY??? Certainly it's not due to Cockpit Culture so what is it?
Too bad Asiana can't tell us that because they must not think their pilots need to be tested for drugs or alcohol even in small fender benders, not to mention deadly crashes or accidents. Let's just face it, Korean pilots couldn't have possibly done any drugs or alcohol because they never do. |
To top it off, plenty of Korean pilots for Korean Air and Asiana had made the landing as well. At least thousands of times. Therefore, the question should be- What went wrong with this particular crew on this particular flight? |
uuuhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe the plane was in trouble because of pilot error and when the junior noticed it he was scared to bring it to his senior's attention because it's not culturally acceptable |
Is there any evidence that that was what occurred?
And is such an even impossible on a non-Korean airline? Trust me, junior pilots the world over might hesitate to correct a senior flight instructor. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Weren't all other pilots from around the world flying the same type of plane able to land at S.F. airport despite what Asiana claims wasn't THIER pilots fault? Of course there has to be a caveat with the admission from the Korean owned Asiana Airlines. I just want to know whether they were drunk because it's not necessary to make them face the breath alyzer? Why was it Asiana Airline pilots fault? Forget it, bypass the details, Koreans don't really care do they? Let's not get into the nitty gritty or the nuts and bolts as to WHY??? Certainly it's not due to Cockpit Culture so what is it?
Too bad Asiana can't tell us that because they must not think their pilots need to be tested for drugs or alcohol even in small fender benders, not to mention deadly crashes or accidents. Let's just face it, Korean pilots couldn't have possibly done any drugs or alcohol because they never do. |
To top it off, plenty of Korean pilots for Korean Air and Asiana had made the landing as well. At least thousands of times. Therefore, the question should be- What went wrong with this particular crew on this particular flight? |
uuuhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe the plane was in trouble because of pilot error and when the junior noticed it he was scared to bring it to his senior's attention because it's not culturally acceptable |
Is there any evidence that that was what occurred?
And is such an even impossible on a non-Korean airline? Trust me, junior pilots the world over might hesitate to correct a senior flight instructor. |
First they claimed it wasn't their error and now they are somewhat admitting it was. Sneaky I tell you, sneaky. It's like trying to con a hakwon contract. |
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Jongno2bucheon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| tophatcat wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| Well, the issue here is the legal system of the US. You cannot expose yourself to endless lawsuits. Resignations and apologies dont work in the US. |
We crashed a plane into your airport but we don't want to be accountable for it because your legal system wants to hold us accountable.
The old, sorry Judge but we were drinking so it's not our fault, … |
Dood, i think you need to hire a lawyer that charges you $600/ hr for an 8 hour phone argument with another lawyer that could have been avoided had he read a 1 minute email, before you realize whose game this is really about. |
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Jongno2bucheon
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Jongno2bucheon
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| tophatcat wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Weren't all other pilots from around the world flying the same type of plane able to land at S.F. airport despite what Asiana claims wasn't THIER pilots fault? Of course there has to be a caveat with the admission from the Korean owned Asiana Airlines. I just want to know whether they were drunk because it's not necessary to make them face the breath alyzer? Why was it Asiana Airline pilots fault? Forget it, bypass the details, Koreans don't really care do they? Let's not get into the nitty gritty or the nuts and bolts as to WHY??? Certainly it's not due to Cockpit Culture so what is it?
Too bad Asiana can't tell us that because they must not think their pilots need to be tested for drugs or alcohol even in small fender benders, not to mention deadly crashes or accidents. Let's just face it, Korean pilots couldn't have possibly done any drugs or alcohol because they never do. |
To top it off, plenty of Korean pilots for Korean Air and Asiana had made the landing as well. At least thousands of times. Therefore, the question should be- What went wrong with this particular crew on this particular flight? |
uuuhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe the plane was in trouble because of pilot error and when the junior noticed it he was scared to bring it to his senior's attention because it's not culturally acceptable |
Is there any evidence that that was what occurred?
And is such an even impossible on a non-Korean airline? Trust me, junior pilots the world over might hesitate to correct a senior flight instructor. |
First they claimed it wasn't their error and now they are somewhat admitting it was. Sneaky I tell you, sneaky. It's like trying to con a hakwon contract. |
Everyone on contract in Korea gets treated like shiet. Even Koreans who are probably treated worse. It is much better to be 정규직, which is pretty much the equivalent of tenure light. 정규직 is awesome, much better than employment rights in the US.
Everyone in life has to overcome obstacles. It builds character. |
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Hokie21
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/korea-s-biggest-card-data-theft-triggers-resignations-amid-probe.html
Dozens of Korean executives resign after credit card information was hacked in Korea two months ago.
Oh... Wonder what happened in the US when Targets credit card info was hacked a few weeks ago? No apologies or resignations?
The difference is the US legal system and the different ramifications of an apology, my displaced esl focused teachers. Charging you 600 per hour. |
I read that dozens "offered" to resign but only heard of two or three actually going through with it. They did offer an apology though, weren't allowed to sign up any new customers till May and paid something like a 6 million won fine (lol). |
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