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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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 Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:20 am Post subject: Re: No, it was not a stroke |
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"Police couldn’t say whether the driver was homicidal, suicidal or had suffered a mental breakdown. He had worked as a bus driver for 20 years, was found to be perfectly healthy in a physical exam in October and completed a full marathon last weekend."
He just ran a marathon last weekend. Found in perfect health in October of last year.
This is a case of a mental health problem, not a physical health problem. |
Dude, if he was suicidal he wouldn't be running marathons. |
You put it out there like it is common knowledge that suicidal people wouldn't run a marathon. Can you expound on why they wouldn't? That would be great. Thanks. |
Well, for one, exercising relieves stress and gives off feel good hormones. So, if he was running marathons, it probably wasn't stress related or suicidal. |
Thanks, Doc. It "probably wasn't" clears things up. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Yeom continued driving to the Jamsil intersection and turned right, deviating from the No. 3318 bus route.
He then drove to the Songpa District Office intersection and sideswiped four vehicles before slamming into the rear of a No. 30-1 bus with the students sitting in the rear seat.
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He did it on purpose. Doesn't sound like a stroke. Some kind of mental health breakdown? Maybe something or someone was driving him nuts.[/code] |
Then you must demand that all Korean bus drivers be dismissed and replaced by North American Sandra Bullock types and 20th Century Fox apologize for releasing the movie Speed 2 Cruise Control.  |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeom continued driving to the Jamsil intersection and turned right, deviating from the No. 3318 bus route.
He then drove to the Songpa District Office intersection and sideswiped four vehicles before slamming into the rear of a No. 30-1 bus with the students sitting in the rear seat.
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He did it on purpose. Doesn't sound like a stroke. Some kind of mental health breakdown? Maybe something or someone was driving him nuts.[/code] |
Then you must demand that all Korean bus drivers be dismissed and replaced by North American Sandra Bullock types and 20th Century Fox apologize for releasing the movie Speed 2 Cruise Control. |
Someone should apologize for "Speed 2."
My point was that if he had a stroke then he would've just plowed the bus straight into vehicles and buildings right in front of the bus. But he changed the route and that's a sign that this was a mental decision, not a physical one. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
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Yeom continued driving to the Jamsil intersection and turned right, deviating from the No. 3318 bus route.
He then drove to the Songpa District Office intersection and sideswiped four vehicles before slamming into the rear of a No. 30-1 bus with the students sitting in the rear seat.
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He did it on purpose. Doesn't sound like a stroke. Some kind of mental health breakdown? Maybe something or someone was driving him nuts.[/code] |
Then you must demand that all Korean bus drivers be dismissed and replaced by North American Sandra Bullock types and 20th Century Fox apologize for releasing the movie Speed 2 Cruise Control. |
Someone should apologize for "Speed 2."
My point was that if he had a stroke then he would've just plowed the bus straight into vehicles and buildings right in front of the bus. But he changed the route and that's a sign that this was a mental decision, not a physical one. |
Or maybe he realized he was having a stroke or heart attack and was attempting to pull over or into a safe area when things went kablooey and he lost all motor functions and thus control of the bus.
Why jump to conclusions?
I complain about bus drivers here, but I also realize that it ain't no day at the beach sitting behind that wheel all day. So I say give the guy a break until they prove he wasn't physically OK. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
My point was that if he had a stroke then he would've just plowed the bus straight into vehicles and buildings right in front of the bus. But he changed the route and that's a sign that this was a mental decision, not a physical one. |
Wait, are we talking about the bus or that Malaysian airliner? |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Guess I won't be sitting at the back anymore. |
Isn't the back generally the safest place in buses, planes and cars? |
I was taking a red bus from Bundang to Seoul a few months ago and the ass end of a bus parked in one of the lanes of traffic was caved in and had to have been hit by a vehicle of a similar height, most likely another bus. It wasn't nearly as bad as the bus accident (or on purpose) pictured in the article, but I would've definitely hated to have been the people sitting on that back row of seats. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: No, it was not a stroke |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
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| Hokie21 wrote: |
| cmxc wrote: |
"Police couldn’t say whether the driver was homicidal, suicidal or had suffered a mental breakdown. He had worked as a bus driver for 20 years, was found to be perfectly healthy in a physical exam in October and completed a full marathon last weekend."
He just ran a marathon last weekend. Found in perfect health in October of last year.
This is a case of a mental health problem, not a physical health problem. |
Dude, if he was suicidal he wouldn't be running marathons. |
You put it out there like it is common knowledge that suicidal people wouldn't run a marathon. Can you expound on why they wouldn't? That would be great. Thanks. |
Well, for one, exercising relieves stress and gives off feel good hormones. So, if he was running marathons, it probably wasn't stress related or suicidal. |
Thanks, Doc. It "probably wasn't" clears things up. |
So, I guess you are the expert on mental health as well by proclaiming that he just went nuts and was suicidal from watching one video on the internet? It is a fact that exercising reduces stress and I was putting that fact on the table as a possible reason, but I guess your diagnoses is spot on 100% accurate. I guess I will come to you for mental health advice as well. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: No, it was not a stroke |
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| byrddogs wrote: |
| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| byrddogs wrote: |
| Hokie21 wrote: |
| cmxc wrote: |
"Police couldn’t say whether the driver was homicidal, suicidal or had suffered a mental breakdown. He had worked as a bus driver for 20 years, was found to be perfectly healthy in a physical exam in October and completed a full marathon last weekend."
He just ran a marathon last weekend. Found in perfect health in October of last year.
This is a case of a mental health problem, not a physical health problem. |
Dude, if he was suicidal he wouldn't be running marathons. |
You put it out there like it is common knowledge that suicidal people wouldn't run a marathon. Can you expound on why they wouldn't? That would be great. Thanks. |
Well, for one, exercising relieves stress and gives off feel good hormones. So, if he was running marathons, it probably wasn't stress related or suicidal. |
Thanks, Doc. It "probably wasn't" clears things up. |
So, I guess you are the expert on mental health as well by proclaiming that he just went nuts and was suicidal from watching one video on the internet? It is a fact that exercising reduces stress and I was putting that fact on the table as a possible reason, but I guess your diagnoses is spot on 100% accurate. I guess I will come to you for mental health advice as well. |
No, I'm not (I didn't even watch the video). I didn't make any diagnosis or proclamations, either though. You did, however. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| The current restoration of the CCTV shows the driver falling asleep prior to the first collision (nodding off), after that, either the accelerator got stuck, or he was confused which one he was stepping on. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| The current restoration of the CCTV shows the driver falling asleep prior to the first collision (nodding off), after that, either the accelerator got stuck, or he was confused which one he was stepping on. |
Thanks for the update.
With a coffee shop on every corner, there's no excuse for a driver dozing off. Just make it a triple espresso. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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A little story~~
In the summer of 1995 I was an MP at Ft. Ben Harrison and while off duty I was on the fort driving down a small road with my g.f. at the time when I noticed the car ahead of me swerving from side to side like he/she was intoxicated. They made a left turn and pulled into an empty lot and stopped as I did the same remaining behind them. I calmly and carefully walked up to the drivers window and knocked and saw a middle-aged man with a confused look roll down his window.
I asked a few questions as a concerned citizen, not as an MP, very simple questions about his well-being to which his answers were odd and confused. I expressed my concern further still and asked if he could let me take him to a fire station just down the road and he agreed. I sat him in my passenger seat as my g.f. sat in the back.
I drove the mile to the station and asked him to stay while I went for a paramedic. A few guys came out with me and approached him from the driver's side door, they asked him to step out and as soon as he did, he collapsed and went into a full-blown grand mal seizure. Everyone went into action to aid him and whisk him off to a hospital.
Oddly enough, a few weeks later, while on duty, I got a call of a woman who was in that exact same parking lot with doors locked and windows up suddenly hit the gas and bolted across the street into a lawn. We arrived and she looked asleep as we tapped on the windows to no response. It wasn't until I busted out the window with a maglite that she came to with a confused look. Again the same fire crew and paramedics showed up and took her to a hospital where she, too,had a seizure of a different variant at the time.
Sometimes the body and mind get their wires crossed I suppose~ wanted to share! |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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What strikes me as more odd is the passengers just sitting there for the duration of the event, which, from the article, seems to have gone on for at least a few minutes.
No one jumped up, ripped him out of the seat and slammed on the breaks? Thats the crazy part |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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What strikes me as more odd is the passengers just sitting there for the duration of the event, which, from the article, seems to have gone on for at least a few minutes.
No one jumped up, ripped him out of the seat and slammed on the breaks? Thats the crazy part |
Sounds like the co-pilot of that Asiana flight.
Oh and he wasn't mentally unstable? Color me surprised. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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What strikes me as more odd is the passengers just sitting there for the duration of the event, which, from the article, seems to have gone on for at least a few minutes.
No one jumped up, ripped him out of the seat and slammed on the breaks? Thats the crazy part |
The reaction from the passengers is completely normal. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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What strikes me as more odd is the passengers just sitting there for the duration of the event, which, from the article, seems to have gone on for at least a few minutes.
No one jumped up, ripped him out of the seat and slammed on the breaks? Thats the crazy part |
I don't know. I've been in a few buses and several taxis that gassed it on and off with braking and swerving. If we had been about to crash, I might have shrugged it off as a small bought of road rage. They may have thought it was another typical ride to the other side of the city. |
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