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Los Angeloser



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, if I'm in an accident while driving a Korean car then somehow it must be Hyundai's or Kia's fault? Oh yeah, just like when in S. Korea if you get rear-ended it is partially your fault. Rolling Eyes

Boeing blames pilots for Asiana 777 crash; airline faults software, too
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2023272500_boeing777sfcrashxml.html
Boeing on Monday firmly blamed the pilots for last year’s crash of an Asiana Airlines 777 in San Francisco, telling the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) that the crash “would have been avoided had the flight crew followed procedures.”
Doug Rice, a veteran commercial-airline pilot and a board member of the California Pilots Association, said foreign flight crews often lack manual flying experience.
He believes the Asiana pilots were unable to cope that day with the fact that the instrument-landing equipment was out.
“It wasn’t like it was dangerous,” Rice said. “It was a beautiful day. And they didn’t fly the airplane.
“They didn’t miss their touchdown target by a little bit,” he added. “They missed by a third of a mile.”
In the December NTSB hearing, John Cashman, the test pilot who flew the 777 maiden flight in 1994, defended Boeing’s flight-control logic.
“It goes back to that original philosophy: not changing modes in an autopilot that the pilot doesn’t command,” Cashman said.
He said the pilot has to have the authority,(NOT IN KOREA) should he see oncoming traffic or some other reason to change course, to fully control the airplane.
Asiana mentions in its submission that this precise situation arose during a test flight of a 787 Dreamliner, which has the same flight-control logic.
In that instance, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) test pilot questioned the fact that the autothrottle didn’t wake up automatically when the speed dropped.
But an FAA manager at the December hearing testified that after discussions with Boeing “the FAA pilot determined that the fact that the autothrottle did not wake up was not a safety issue.”
Asiana recommends in its submission to the NTSB that Boeing insert more explicit warnings in its flight-crew training manuals about this specific circumstance and also that it should develop stronger alerting features to mitigate any automation “surprise.”
Rice said such steps, rather than changing the logic of Boeing’s flight-control philosophy, is the right response.
“I don’t believe the philosophy needs changed,” said Rice. “We need to make sure the pilots understand the philosophy and they must demonstrate that knowledge during their training.”

And let's not forget ~ or was below Boeing's fault too or is somebody else to blame since Asiana Airlines didn't mean to fail families?
Asiana Airlines fined $500,000 for failing to help families after July crash
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/25/travel/asiana-plane-crash-fine/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


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Jongno2bucheon



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lawyers are in the drivers seat. Not Korean culture. Welcome to the way the US legal system works. No one likes it, and the only ones who can legislate changes are lawyers. That is the unbelievable part about American culture, so helpless to lawyers, big pharma, wall street etc.
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Jongno2bucheon



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie21 wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/korea-s-biggest-card-data-theft-triggers-resignations-amid-probe.html

Dozens of Korean executives resign after credit card information was hacked in Korea two months ago.

Oh... Wonder what happened in the US when Targets credit card info was hacked a few weeks ago? No apologies or resignations?

The difference is the US legal system and the different ramifications of an apology, my displaced esl focused teachers. Charging you 600 per hour.


I read that dozens "offered" to resign but only heard of two or three actually going through with it. They did offer an apology though, weren't allowed to sign up any new customers till May and paid something like a 6 million won fine (lol).


Yeah, at least in Korean legal culture, you are allowed to apologize and try to say sorry. Thank gawd its not the US yet in that regard
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Los Angeloser



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/korea-s-biggest-card-data-theft-triggers-resignations-amid-probe.html

Dozens of Korean executives resign after credit card information was hacked in Korea two months ago.

Oh... Wonder what happened in the US when Targets credit card info was hacked a few weeks ago? No apologies or resignations?

The difference is the US legal system and the different ramifications of an apology, my displaced esl focused teachers. Charging you 600 per hour.


I read that dozens "offered" to resign but only heard of two or three actually going through with it. They did offer an apology though, weren't allowed to sign up any new customers till May and paid something like a 6 million won fine (lol).


Yeah, at least in Korean legal culture, you are allowed to apologize and try to say sorry. Thank gawd its not the US yet in that regard


Right, in America you aren't "allowed" to say "I'm sorry." Please, get off of your apology kick. Your angle and logic is stupefying.
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Jongno2bucheon



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/korea-s-biggest-card-data-theft-triggers-resignations-amid-probe.html

Dozens of Korean executives resign after credit card information was hacked in Korea two months ago.

Oh... Wonder what happened in the US when Targets credit card info was hacked a few weeks ago? No apologies or resignations?

The difference is the US legal system and the different ramifications of an apology, my displaced esl focused teachers. Charging you 600 per hour.


I read that dozens "offered" to resign but only heard of two or three actually going through with it. They did offer an apology though, weren't allowed to sign up any new customers till May and paid something like a 6 million won fine (lol).


Yeah, at least in Korean legal culture, you are allowed to apologize and try to say sorry. Thank gawd its not the US yet in that regard


Right, in America you aren't "allowed" to say "I'm sorry." Please, get off of your apology kick. Your angle and logic is stupefying.


I just googled "wall street apologizes" and got no hits.

https://www.google.co.kr/#q=wall+street+apologizes&safe=off

Please explain, the prosecution rests.
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candy bar



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/korea-s-biggest-card-data-theft-triggers-resignations-amid-probe.html

Dozens of Korean executives resign after credit card information was hacked in Korea two months ago.

Oh... Wonder what happened in the US when Targets credit card info was hacked a few weeks ago? No apologies or resignations?

The difference is the US legal system and the different ramifications of an apology, my displaced esl focused teachers. Charging you 600 per hour.


I read that dozens "offered" to resign but only heard of two or three actually going through with it. They did offer an apology though, weren't allowed to sign up any new customers till May and paid something like a 6 million won fine (lol).


Yeah, at least in Korean legal culture, you are allowed to apologize and try to say sorry. Thank gawd its not the US yet in that regard


Sorry folks. We crash landed our plane into your runway. We know there is a lot of damage and injuries but we would like to say we are sorry. By the way, it's not our fault. You should have extended the runway 1/2 mile back into the ocean and let us know that we were about to crash.

This is another boarding pass story. Korean men reading the numbers wrong and miscalculating and making bad judgment. But they want to blame it on others.
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Jongno2bucheon



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candy bar wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/korea-s-biggest-card-data-theft-triggers-resignations-amid-probe.html

Dozens of Korean executives resign after credit card information was hacked in Korea two months ago.

Oh... Wonder what happened in the US when Targets credit card info was hacked a few weeks ago? No apologies or resignations?

The difference is the US legal system and the different ramifications of an apology, my displaced esl focused teachers. Charging you 600 per hour.


I read that dozens "offered" to resign but only heard of two or three actually going through with it. They did offer an apology though, weren't allowed to sign up any new customers till May and paid something like a 6 million won fine (lol).


Yeah, at least in Korean legal culture, you are allowed to apologize and try to say sorry. Thank gawd its not the US yet in that regard


Sorry folks. We crash landed our plane into your runway. We know there is a lot of damage and injuries but we would like to say we are sorry. By the way, it's not our fault. You should have extended the runway 1/2 mile back into the ocean and let us know that we were about to crash.

This is another boarding pass story. Korean men reading the numbers wrong and miscalculating and making bad judgment. But they want to blame it on others.


Did you read the link and my argument? I highly suggest it. ^^

Sometimes i act smug, but its only because my point doesnt get across a slab of concrete.
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Jongno2bucheon



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


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Los Angeloser



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


What was he sorry for, for making those specific pilots fly a Boeing 777 with bad software and an auto-throttle that didn't land the plane for the Asiana Airline pilots?

Sounds like an inadequate, incomplete, and vague apology to me and he didn't even bow down to the ground so it doesn't count as an apology. If that dbag was really sorry he would've assisted in the investigation by testing his pilots for drugs and alcohol.


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Jongno2bucheon



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


What was he sorry for, for making those specific pilots fly a Boeing 777 with bad software with an auto-throttle that didn't land the plane for the Asiana Airline pilots?

Sounds like an inadequate, incomplete, and vague apology to me and he didn't even bow down to the ground so it doesn't count as an apology. If that dbag was really sorry he would've assisted in the investigation by testing his pilots for drugs and alcohol.


Anyways. So where is the apology from wall street?

Im waiting.

Btw, you aint from LA. You're a douchebag east coaster, prolly jersey area. LOL

LA rules your sorry town. Thats fo sheezy haha
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Los Angeloser



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


What was he sorry for, for making those specific pilots fly a Boeing 777 with bad software with an auto-throttle that didn't land the plane for the Asiana Airline pilots?

Sounds like an inadequate, incomplete, and vague apology to me and he didn't even bow down to the ground so it doesn't count as an apology. If that dbag was really sorry he would've assisted in the investigation by testing his pilots for drugs and alcohol.


Anyways. So where is the apology from wall street?

Im waiting.

Btw, you aint from LA. You're a douchebag east coaster, prolly jersey area. LOL

LA rules your sorry town. Thats fo sheezy haha


Wall Street: We're sorry you gambled your money away. Rolling Eyes
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Jongno2bucheon



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


What was he sorry for, for making those specific pilots fly a Boeing 777 with bad software with an auto-throttle that didn't land the plane for the Asiana Airline pilots?

Sounds like an inadequate, incomplete, and vague apology to me and he didn't even bow down to the ground so it doesn't count as an apology. If that dbag was really sorry he would've assisted in the investigation by testing his pilots for drugs and alcohol.


Anyways. So where is the apology from wall street?

Im waiting.

Btw, you aint from LA. You're a douchebag east coaster, prolly jersey area. LOL

LA rules your sorry town. Thats fo sheezy haha


Wall Street: We're sorry you gambled your money away. Rolling Eyes


Why you fronting a city you arent even from?

Youre no different than a transsexual. In theory. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


What was he sorry for, for making those specific pilots fly a Boeing 777 with bad software with an auto-throttle that didn't land the plane for the Asiana Airline pilots?

Sounds like an inadequate, incomplete, and vague apology to me and he didn't even bow down to the ground so it doesn't count as an apology. If that dbag was really sorry he would've assisted in the investigation by testing his pilots for drugs and alcohol.


Anyways. So where is the apology from wall street?

Im waiting.

Btw, you aint from LA. You're a douchebag east coaster, prolly jersey area. LOL

LA rules your sorry town. Thats fo sheezy haha


Wall Street: We're sorry you gambled your money away. Rolling Eyes


Why you fronting a city you arent even from?

Youre no different than a transsexual. In theory. Laughing


Your language is so rich. Did you win it on the Korean Securities Dealers Automated Quotations? You're so lucky but of course not every Korean can be so lucky. Has the KOSDAQ ever apologized to the losers? Of course not and oh by the way, the Korean banking system lost its arse in 1998 but never apologized to the losers, they just blamed the IMF. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


What was he sorry for, for making those specific pilots fly a Boeing 777 with bad software with an auto-throttle that didn't land the plane for the Asiana Airline pilots?

Sounds like an inadequate, incomplete, and vague apology to me and he didn't even bow down to the ground so it doesn't count as an apology. If that dbag was really sorry he would've assisted in the investigation by testing his pilots for drugs and alcohol.


Anyways. So where is the apology from wall street?

Im waiting.

Btw, you aint from LA. You're a douchebag east coaster, prolly jersey area. LOL

LA rules your sorry town. Thats fo sheezy haha


Wall Street: We're sorry you gambled your money away. Rolling Eyes


Why you fronting a city you arent even from?

Youre no different than a transsexual. In theory. Laughing


Your language is so rich. Did you win it on the Korean Securities Dealers Automated Quotations? You're so lucky but of course not every Korean can be so lucky. Has the KOSDAQ ever apologized to the losers? Of course not and oh by the way, the Korean banking system lost its arse in 1998 but never apologized to the losers, they just blamed the IMF. Laughing


Did you know navajo can converse with mongolians?

So for such a newcomer, you sure talk a lot.

These American newbies, always thinking they own everything as soon as they get to America.

Cognitive dissonance is a biyotch aint it? LOL
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candy bar



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
Los Angeloser wrote:
Jongno2bucheon wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/asiana-airlines-president-apologizes-for-crash-that-killed-2/

Btw, Asiana CEO apologized immediately last year. You wont ever see a white male executive do this. Its just not in the white male leadership culture to worry and apologize for things like human feelings, i.e. great recession.

The lawyers took over now. Lets leave it at that for now. I had a bad day.


What was he sorry for, for making those specific pilots fly a Boeing 777 with bad software with an auto-throttle that didn't land the plane for the Asiana Airline pilots?

Sounds like an inadequate, incomplete, and vague apology to me and he didn't even bow down to the ground so it doesn't count as an apology. If that dbag was really sorry he would've assisted in the investigation by testing his pilots for drugs and alcohol.


Anyways. So where is the apology from wall street?

Im waiting.

Btw, you aint from LA. You're a douchebag east coaster, prolly jersey area. LOL

LA rules your sorry town. Thats fo sheezy haha


Wall Street: We're sorry you gambled your money away. Rolling Eyes


Why you fronting a city you arent even from?

Youre no different than a transsexual. In theory. Laughing


Your language is so rich. Did you win it on the Korean Securities Dealers Automated Quotations? You're so lucky but of course not every Korean can be so lucky. Has the KOSDAQ ever apologized to the losers? Of course not and oh by the way, the Korean banking system lost its arse in 1998 but never apologized to the losers, they just blamed the IMF. Laughing


Did you know navajo can converse with mongolians?

So for such a newcomer, you sure talk a lot.

These American newbies, always thinking they own everything as soon as they get to America.

Cognitive dissonance is a biyotch aint it? LOL


It's not our fault that people were living on our land when we landed at Plymouth Rock.
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